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Apple Documentation and SwiftUI for Mac

Alexander Grebenyuk:

I wrote a post yesterday about triple-column navigation in SwiftUI. It felt a bit awkward posting it because this really shouldn’t be some obscure knowledge. This is hardly a challenging problem. But to me and to many other people, this was challenging.

Why was it challenging? The NavigationView documentation page doesn’t mention a triple-column layout or macOS at all. But the lack of content is not the only problem with Apple Documentation.

The intention of the article isn’t to complain, but rather to review the documentation system and point out some of its issues.

Alexander Grebenyuk:

This is a native macOS app written entirely in SwiftUI, from @main to bottom. Not a prototype, not a toy. A full-featured app. The intention is to deliver the best macOS experience possible.


The relationship between SwiftUI and AppKit are not documented and not guaranteed to be supported. This workaround is useful for now, but might stop working in the future.


I had to compromise in a few places. But I don’t have a lot of bugs to report. Maybe I’m just getting better at avoiding things that don’t quite work as expected. There are some limitations, but the AppKit integration is always there for me.

Wil Shipley:

SwiftUI is an amazing way to prototype interfaces quickly but when you hit a wall you hit it hard and there’s almost nothing you can do.

It’s also telling to me that, for instance, nobody seems to have figured out how to make two Buttons in SwiftUI be the same width.

(Yes, I’ve seen various posts about it, but so far haven’t found a solution that works in all cases.)


Update (2021-03-14): Alexander Grebenyuk:

I solved all these performance issues with one simple trick – rewriting the list using NSTableView.


Unlike iOS, macOS needs to know the size of every cell. It allows precise control using a scroll indicator. It appears that List attempts to implement self-sizing on top of NSTableView, but it’s destined to fail on macOS.


There is always a risk with SwiftUI. It is an exceptional tool, but you never know when you are going to hit a wall. My pure SwiftUI app uses NSTextView, NSSearchField, and now NSTableView and NSMenu.

Update (2021-03-19): Steve Streza:

SwiftUI is two things. It is 1) a declarative, reactive UI paradigm similar to React or Jetpack Compose, and 2) a new set of controls and views that mimic AppKit/UIKit.

1 is brilliant. 2 is absurdly frustrating at every turn, and feels like hacking non-native UI.

Update (2021-04-07): Alexander Grebenyuk:

Some basic things that are unproblematically done with Auto Layout are hard in SwiftUI, for example, matching views size or aligning views. SwiftUI layout system is simply less expressive. The good things about it (stacks, grids, spacers) are easy to add to Auto Layout. And I still can’t build a complete mental model around the SwiftUI layout system. Auto Layout, on the other hand, makes total sense – it’s just math.

Dave Wood:

#SwiftUI is a disaster. I know of a team about to ship a production app built 100% with SwiftUI and it’s a UI shit show. Basic things that have worked fine since iPhone 2.0 just don’t work correctly with SwiftUI.

Update (2021-04-14): Ken Case:

Some things we wanted to do were easier than ever. Some things were much harder than one would hope. (E.g., SwiftUI will happily reclaim views which are scrolled offscreen, which can play havoc when one of those views is the first responder.) Creative experimentation required.

Update (2021-04-15): Marcin Krzyzanowski:

For the past 2 days, I’ve been dealing with a SwiftUI issue where NSViewRepresentable does something different than SwiftUI views and the hierarchy does not update properly. The same hierarchy and if I just replace component with SwiftUI.Button - everything starts working.

Now I need to reimplement native NSSegmentedControl purely in SwiftUI views to make it work, and still, it won’t look as good as the native component (SegmentedPickerStyle is not enough for my needs)

SwiftUI is faster until it’s not.


Triple-column navigation in SwiftUI is easy to implement. However, if you want to change the look-and-feel at launch—e.g., to show the sidebar by default on iPad—you have to dip into UIKit in .onAppear{}, find the UISplitViewController, and configure it.

So yeah, you hit a wall!

Can you even organize contacts on iOS? As far as I know, you can only create contact groups on a Mac, or the very least The groups on my contacts app are the same ones from the last time I set up a new mac back in 2009.

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