Tuesday, September 9, 2025

iPhone 17 Pro and iPhone 17 Pro Max

Apple (video, MacRumors):

Both models feature A19 Pro, the most powerful and efficient chip for iPhone yet, enabling the advanced camera systems, next-level mobile gaming, and Apple Intelligence. Built with an Apple-designed vapor chamber that is laser-welded into a strong, light, and thermally conductive aluminum unibody, iPhone 17 Pro and iPhone 17 Pro Max deliver Apple’s best-ever performance and an enormous leap in battery life. Three 48MP Fusion cameras — Main, Ultra Wide, and an all-new Telephoto — offer the equivalent of eight lenses, including the longest optical-quality zoom ever on iPhone at 8x, and the innovative 18MP Center Stage front camera takes selfies to the next level. With new industry-first video features built for pro filmmakers and content creators, including ProRes RAW, Apple Log 2, and genlock, iPhone integrates even more seamlessly into the largest and smallest of productions. Both models feature the Ceramic Shield 2 front cover with 3x better scratch resistance, and for the first time, Ceramic Shield protects the back of iPhone.

iPhone 17 Pro and iPhone 17 Pro Max are available in three beautiful new finishes — deep blue, cosmic orange, and silver.

Finally, some good Pro colors.

Deionized water is sealed inside the vapor chamber, which is laser-welded into the aluminum chassis to move heat away from the powerful A19 Pro, allowing it to operate at even higher performance levels. The heat is carried into the forged aluminum unibody, where it is distributed evenly through the system, managing power and surface temperatures to deliver incredible performance while remaining comfortable to hold.

I wonder how much faster the A19 Pro will be in the Pro vs. the Air due to the better thermals.

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"Deionized water is sealed inside the vapor chamber, which is laser-welded into the aluminum chassis to move heat away from the powerful A19 Pro"

Yawn… The hardware can be great, the price can be cheap, it would still be a no-go because of Liquid Glass.


Tim Cook explicitly mentioned that design is not only about how it looks, but ALSO about how it works. This ‘also’ explains a lot about today’s Apple.


@Dmitri Opening the show with that quote, only to cut to a montage of meaninglessly visually congruent shapes, immediately put a bad taste in my mouth. Of course Cook added "also" to emphasize just how little Apple understands it. "Design" to Apple is now just getting multiple British-tinged voice-overs to pronounce "aluminium."

The vapor chamber sounds cool, though. Hopefully it works better than the liquid-cooled G5s.


RCs are out for everything from Xcode to macOS.

@Dmitri_Zdorov... I saw that too. Maybe you didn't mean this but I also noticed that that was really about all that was mentioned about Liquid Glass. Odd. Particularly when you consider they mentioned Apple Intelligence at least 10x more.

Has anyone received their annual email about being able to upload your apps via Xcode 26 yet? I never got it.

Looking at the Apple Store (it's back up) has *aboslutely* no mention of when their OS releases are coming out, in fact, no mention of Liquid Glass at all.


@Dave in footnotes on the various iPhone pages they say iOS 26 releases on Monday Sept 15. Possibly they all do next week.


Steve Jobs is spinning in his grave. Using his iconic quote to promote a UI that doesn't work very well is shameful.


I wonder if the A19 Pro in the Air is underclocked compared to the Pros. A very effective power-saving technique is to run a big chip slow rather than a small chip fast. though maybe that only makes sense for sustained workloads and not bursty ones like on the phones. I am fascinated by the Air's potential gaming performance though, and whether it will eat through the entire battery in like an hour running at 120Hz


@someone

Exactly. I have an 11 Pro ... it drags, the battery has aged, etc. Time for an upgrade! Look at the orange phone! The plateau! Insane cameras (remember, mine is an 11 Pro ... from 2019)!

Alas, fuck Liquid Glass. Hard pass. No new devices until that garbage can be turned off without sacrificing "cool". I tried the beta and hated it instantly and deeply. I wrote a feedback with two home screen screenshots: one from iOS 18 and one from iOS 26. I use dark mode exclusively with hidden labels and widgets that have a black image in the stack. Once I'm at home, this is the focus mode. Only a few folders of essentials present, the widgets are there but with the black image, the disappear, literally faded into the background. Dark, plain, unobtrusive, simple, dare I say elegant. Except Liquid Glass adds a highlight tweak wrapping all app icons and widgets. It cannot be turned off. It is not dark enough for dark mode, and there are outlines on the widgets ... I lasted less than 48 hours before I wiped my phone and installed the back up. Almost all of the press shot and reviews deal with liquid glass in light mode. Maybe it looks cool, but it it not functional. Liquid glass makes things harder to read. It feels like cool won over accessibility, again (hello fugly Settings). If someone tried to give me a free iPhone 17 in exchange for my 11, I wouldn't do it, the OS is that bad, that frustrating to use.

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