Apple Announces American Manufacturing Program

Seriously, look at the shiny object. That's the point. They finally figured out what works with him.

Yes, symbolically it doesn't look great but financially neither did their stock with all these punitive tariffs.

Yes, everyone is going to, probably mostly rightly, crap all over this.

But they've made extremely similar promises before to no effect. So they took the Achievement in the Field of Excellence approach.

Sorry, it's Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Excellence. And it appears to have worked just as well.

Tim Cook should be embarrassed, but also, everyone who said he made a fool of the President here also has a point. Either way, that video is a tentpole of Tim's legacy now.

Tim Cook caves for authoritarians and fights Democratically elected public servants to the death. Their products are getting worse. Their software is a mess.

This isn't a good company worth supporting with our money anymore. I'm buying used from now on and I hope more people will join me. I'm going to get my stuff off iCloud and cancel it. Eventually I'll probably have to move to Linux. It'll be worth it to stop supporting these evil cowards

I want to signal-boost bart’s comment.

One of Tim Cook’s jobs is kissing the rears of heads of state and/or government to do what’s best for Apple.

He does this thing all the time with Xi and likely also Modi; he can do it with Trump, too.

AFAICT Tim Cook has all the incentives to get manufacturing out of China and also India; he just can’t get the reliability there yet because getting a factory up and running and not producing duds at unacceptably high rates is hard and takes time. So he hands Trump a very fancy paperweight that tries to artfully blend Apple’s current aesthetic (glass) with Trump’s (gold).

I’m not sure why most of the Mac glitterati is calling this “capitulation” and getting mad at Tim Cook; it looks like a superficial gesture made at a guy who cares about the superficial.

Apple deserves the Tesla treatment for this. They won't get it though.

Which Democratically elected public servants is he fighting to the death?

@scineram I think the reference was to the EU and other many other Western countries that fight Apple and Google's duopoly market distortion.

Kissing the ring of authoritarian leaders in the US and China, while fighting less/non-authoritarian governments nail and tooth is not a good look.

Of course, this is not going to change much. I grew up in a country that was occupied by nazi Germany, over 100,000 jews were deported. The lessons of WOII were engraved in us from young age. As kids we could never understand why (almost) nobody did anything. Seeing something similar happen in my lifetime [1], I now understand. Everyone is simply trying to save their own skin, corporations bow to the dictator to save their business/profits, citizens bow to save their lifestyles. Everyone is going to write some nasty tweets, but will run to buy a new iPhone in October.

[1] Of course, it's not the same thing yet, but there are many parallels with 1933 Germany. Deportations, anti-intellectual sentiment, etc.

I'm surprised by how hard this hit me. It would be one thing to build the plant and flatter President Trump and shake some hands.

But seeing Tim Cook hand over a lump of gold, infront of cameras, and set it up on trumps desk. And do the little "We have strong men working for us. Ex military even!" speech.

Hopefully we'll NOT get to see the Apple enabler industrial complex try to spin this. So far they seem shocked into silence.

XO≈

So you got nothing, huh? Well the President is an elected leader, unlike any authoritarian eurocomissar.

"Well the President is an elected leader, unlike any authoritarian eurocomissar."

They're both elected in the same way; in both cases, people vote for people who eventually elect the person in authority.

"Seeing something similar happen in my lifetime, I now understand"

I had the same epiphany. As a young adult, I read "Hitler's Willing Executioners," and Goldhagen's assertion that there was something in Germany's history and culture that made it uniquely vulnerable to a fascist takeover always struck me as somewhat implausible. Now we see it with our own eyes. It's just a bunch of people looking out for their own interests.

"it seems like he basically offered a sweet solution"

It's the same thing that's already happening with Stargate: what Trump cares about it the announcement, not the follow-through. So it's very cheap for a company like Apple to go up on stage with him and hype him up, and then do the bare minimum in case anyone ever checks back.

I hope those who justify Cook's actions realise he doesn't know who they are, and that they won't receive a free Apple device in return.

I find it strange that so many people are so disappointed by this.

Politicians talk about creating jobs and improving the lives of their citizens all the time….If Obama had the same meeting with Cook I think the comments here would be completely different

Is slave labor in countries to keep prices low really more desirable? Is it more humane? I never heard of suicide nets being needed at factories in modern America.

Why would anyone be mad about what’s been announced here…your hatred for one man/political party is really that strong?
Jobs for Americans is bad?

And Trump isn’t some dumbass he knows it isn’t likely that he’ll get all iPhone manufacturing to move to America. He negotiates from a hard position but is willing to take wins that fall short of that stated goal…which is really not unusual for a politician.

There is nothing that the American government is doing right now that resembles Nazi Germany. Not even close. That’s just an insane position to take.

A bunch of junior US congress members are currently in Israel sucking up to Bibi, also including speaker Mike Johnson. Trump bombed Iran after Israel lobbed bombs at Iran out of nowhere. Trump also publicly supported clearing (cough ethnically cleansing) the Gaza Strip. And you guys are talking about fascism through the lens of… WWII? Maybe a weird flavor of Zionist fascism.

“There is nothing that the American government is doing TO ME right now that resembles Nazi Germany.”

Fixed that for you.

It’s a pretty absurd claim to make. The Nazis killed millions of innocent people. They put them in gas chambers….burned people alive and not to mention they invaded and conquered like half of Europe. Are you being serious? Absolutely nothing like that is happening in America.

Trump meets with Cook and talks about creating jobs for Americans and this is somehow controversial? There is plenty of things to be mad at Apple about but I don’t see how this can be one of them.

Brown shirts are rounding up foreigners and sending them to concentration camps.

Wake the fuck up

"Politicians talk about creating jobs and improving the lives of their citizens all the time"

Look at the job numbers. They're so bad that Trump is firing the chief of the Bureau of Labor Statistics because if your policies are destroying the economy, it's easier to lie about the numbers than to admit that you've made a mistake and change course.

"If Obama had the same meeting with Cook I think the comments here would be completely different"

Then the people making these comments would be wrong.

"Is slave labor in countries to keep prices low really more desirable?"

More desirable than what? A "commitment" that will bear as much fruit as Foxconn's Wisconsin project, also touted by Trump?

This is not how you make change. This is bs. It's a PR show for Trump, and nothing else. Tim Cook is no dummy, he knows exactly how to play Trump; he'll get up on stage, make a bunch of "commitments", give Trump his participation trophy, make some basic moves inline with his "commitments", and a few years later, somebody will ask what all of this amounted to, and won't find a single thing.

"Jobs for Americans is bad?"

What jobs?

"There is nothing that the American government is doing right now that resembles Nazi Germany"

Really? Nothing? Zero? Not a single thing you can think of? Zilch? Nada?

That’s just an insane position to take.

I agree that more jobs that pay a living wage for non diploma people are a great idea.

I think producing things closer to where they're bought is great.

Tim Cook ushering in a corrupt autocracy with a little speech and a gift of gold had nothing to do with that

>Brown shirts are rounding up foreigners and sending them to concentration camps.
> Wake the fuck up

Get a globe and spin it around. Stop it with your finger on any random country outside of the USA. Ask yourself if that country would let you enter without proper paperwork. The answer will be no, pretty much no matter where you land.

Do you really think you could enter Japan, China, Mexico, Australia, Hungary (anywhere really) without proper paperwork? What do you think these countries do to people who sneak in? Do you really think that deportation is an American phenomenon? If deportation is the standard for being 'Nazi-like' then the majority of the world is 'Nazi-like'.

In fact America has always had a relatively liberal immigration policy in comparison with the rest of the world.

For that last 30-40 years or so other countries have prioritized the lives of their "native born" citizens far more forcefully than America who's motto has basically been export all the manufacturing jobs and import all the goods. It doesn't matter if there are no labor laws in China and people work for 5 cents an hour. As long as I get "my thing" for cheap and I don't work in a factory, good for me. Go to South Korea and let me know how many Fords or Chevys you see in the road.

>"There is nothing that the American government is doing right now that resembles Nazi Germany"
> Really? Nothing? Zero? Not a single thing you can think of? Zilch? Nada?

It really depends how far you want to stretch your argument. When you make the loaded comparison to Nazi Germany the implication is about the evil acts they committed, not about laws that are common across the entire world. If you just grab some small detail that happens to be true across the entire world that also was true in Nazi Germany (e.g: you get deported if you enter a country illegally, you go to jail if you rob a bank, etc.) you aren't making a serious argument.

If you are from El Salvador you can't just enter Mexico without permission. The Mexican government detains and deports people back to El Salvador. Why not say America is implementing policies similar to Mexico? Of course not! Nazi Germany is the obvious choice 🙄. Like subclassing, you inherit all the extra stigma that comes with killing millions of jews and gypsies for free! It's common among liberals to call people you disagree with politically Nazis but outside of the liberal circle jerk most people roll their eyes.

> "Is slave labor in countries to keep prices low really more desirable?"
>More desirable than what? A "commitment" that will bear as much fruit as Foxconn's Wisconsin project, also touted by Trump?

If Tim Cook doesn't honor commitments he made to the American public while standing next to the American president, that would say more about his character than Trump's IMO. But I bet I know who you'll hate more if you end up being right and Cook reneges.

@Kristoffer

"Brown shirts are rounding up foreigners and sending them to concentration camps."

Citizens. They're rounding up Citizens, and folks with valid visas, and folks with Green Cards, and sending them to concentration camps.

As for the story itself... yeah the rest of the world is just gagging for the opportunity to buy Apple products that are as "well" made as American cars, like Tesla and Jeep. *lol*

@ObjC4Life

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2025/08/05/yeonsoo-go-south-korean-purdue-student-ice-detained-released/

"According to Davis, Go had entered the U.S. lawfully and had a visa that was valid until December 2025."

Detained, shipped off to concentration camp. Thankfully her parents had good connections and managed to get her released.

Wake the fuck up.

> As for the story itself... yeah the rest of the world is just gagging for the opportunity to buy Apple products that are as "well" made as American cars, like Tesla and Jeep. *lol*

Teslas are quite popular here. They were even a liberal fashion statement before Elon started talking politics. If quality was the reason for the trade disparity that would at least be fair. But instead it's more like: we tax your car imports 4x the amount you tax ours. Plenty of cheap junk is manufactured in China.

@Kristoffer

The US gov't isn't systematically rounding up foreigners who have the right to be here, engaging in "ethnic cleansing" or any such "nazi-like" behavior. You can fact-check it. If that case you linked indeed turns out to be a mistake made by ICE that is unfortunate. But it is good she was released after 48 hours and wasn't sent to a crematory. I mean come on....

While that story does not sound great, it's not nearly as bad as this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Laken_Riley
BTW whoever made the call to detain her should be punished. I'm not for that at all. If she had proper paperwork to be in America she should not have been detained.

With that said...people mistakenly get apprehended/arrested, etc and it sucks. I imagine the percentage of innocent people on death row is low (I hope) but I know it isn't zero. Amanda Knox was held in Italy for years for a murder she almost certainly didn't commit, what does that say about the Italian government? Are they Nazis? Was she being treated unfairly for being a foreigner? After acknowledging that the world is not perfect, where do we go from here? I'm not sure.

What I am sure about though is this:
It's one thing to say a mistake was made in like five or six cases out of thousands of deportations. It's quite another thing to say that ICE agents are nazis.
I get that's a strategy liberals implement but it's not a winning one. Trump held an event in MSG and the media went on and on that he was reenacting a nazi rally from like 100 years ago. Like nothing else ever goes on in Madison Square Garden besides that Nazi rally from like 100 years ago. It's like saying Hitler's favorite food was a pork chop. Trump likes pork chops. So Trump is Hitler, you see?

Back to the Tim Cook/Trump sit-down... it's good that the president is talking about trying to improve the lives of the citizens he was elected to represent. I don't understand the repulsion. If Apple backs out that makes **them** look like the assholes. I get the sense that a lot of the people commenting here actually want Apple to back out. "It's better that thousands of Americans don't get these jobs, because if they do, Trump will take credit for it!" That's really not a healthy way to think.

"If Tim Cook doesn't honor commitments he made to the American public while standing next to the American president, that would say more about his character than Trump's IMO. But I bet I know who you'll hate more if you end up being right and Cook reneges."

First of all, I don't hate anyone. That's projection. But, well, yeah, I'd blame Trump way more than Cook. What Cook is doing is a bunch of bs, but it's a result of a lawless president who uses his power to penalize people and companies for not following his personal whims. Cook is not the source of the disease; he's a symptom.

"If quality was the reason for the trade disparity that would at least be fair."

The trade disparity is a peculiar argument to begin with, as it overlooks service exports and bonds, ignores the benefits that the dollar's position as the world's primary reserve currency conveys to the US, and overlooks the fact that America's trade deficit is an intentional result of its economic policies.

The only thing this entire discussion has revealed is that the current US government, and a significant portion of the US population, do not comprehend the economic systems that have contributed to the US's unique success, which is worrisome.

"It's one thing to say a mistake was made in like five or six cases out of thousands of deportations."

Then why bring up Amanda Knox, who is a single person?

And what does Laken Riles have to do with this at all?

"I get that's a strategy liberals implement but it's not a winning one."

It's not "a strategy." It's a genuinely held belief that people have.

Apart from rounding up brown people and putting them in concentration camps, Trump's whole project has many authoritarian features. He had an entire multi-layered project to overturn Biden's win, he deployed troops to LA, he threatens to imprison political opponents, he supports censorship and book bans, he supports violent actions by his supporters, he calls Nazi groups "good people", he purges agencies of long-standing bureaucrats and replaces them with people loyal to him, he ignores court orders. He posts pictures of himself as a King, and he incited a bunch of his supporters to storm the fucking Capitol. He referred to his political enemies as "vermin." The KKK and Stormfront support him. He called for a Muslim ban. His campaign produced antisemitic propaganda. He got himself a military parade for his birthday. He's attacking Universities, forcing them to fall in line with his ideology.

He called for Milley to be executed for treason, he called for Liz Cheney to be shot, he called for people leaking information to journalists to be raped in prison, and he threatened to imprison journalists who don't reveal their sources.

Just now, Trump posted "The Homeless have to move out, IMMEDIATELY" on his social network, and signed an executive order that moves grantmaking away from career scientists to his appointees.

I won't even go into fascism-adjacent topics like attacks on reproductive freedom, and I could go on and list another hundred things, but I'm assuming you already know all of these things and just choose to ignore them.

Taken alone, any one of these would be kind of weird, but collectively, the picture is clear. This is not just "Hitler loved to paint and Trump loves to draw, so Trump is like Hitler."

The reality is that the current US system is poorly designed. It's unstable, it's corrupt, and it doesn't represent its people well. It bears a striking resemblance to the Weimar Republic.

When people compare the US to Nazi Germany, they aren't saying "Trump killed millions of people"; they're saying "it looks a hell of a lot like we're in early 1930s Germany, where we have a choice between salvaging our country and letting it devolve into fascism."

If not for Mike Pence, this could already have gone wrong. But here we are for round two.

None of this is because I "hate Trump," or anyone else. That's a stupid way to view the world. I would like for the world to become safer, freer, and more democratic, rather than more authoritarian. I used to think that this was a sentiment shared by most people living in Western democracies.

"While that story does not sound great, it's not nearly as bad as this one: *shameful whataboutism*"

To play the Laken Riley card here is so completely disgraceful, not to mention thoroughly missing the point that lawful, rules-following people are coming to this country legally and being thrown into detention centers without cause or due process. Just a lazy, embarrassing, shoddy objectification of a poor woman who you (like so many lazy arguments before yours) use as a prop against the boogeyman (in this case, a ... 20-year old student at Purdue University).

Will never waste time reading any comment your name is attached to again.

"And Trump isn’t some dumbass".

I don't know. He clearly doesn't value education. He fumbled his way through college thanks to his daddy's money. He won't release his transcripts, but at least one teacher has stated that he was the dumbest student he's ever had. He has gutted the Department of Education. He has continually attacked higher education institutions, threatening to cut their funding unless they comply, citing anti-semitic policies because those schools allowed their students to protest. He doesn't value expertise, instead surrounding himself with loyalists with no background whatsoever in the areas that they've been chosen to lead. He doesn't really care about the USA or the people in it, but has just latched onto ideas that are popular enough with enough people to get him elected.

I took a CPR class once. Maybe I should be chief of surgery at my local hospital?

>To play the Laken Riley card here is so completely disgraceful, not to mention thoroughly missing the point that lawful, rules-following people are coming to this country legally and being thrown into detention centers without cause or due process. Just a lazy, embarrassing, shoddy objectification of a poor woman who you (like so many lazy arguments before yours) use as a prop against the boogeyman (in this case, a ... 20-year old student at Purdue University).
Will never waste time reading any comment your name is attached to again.

So this is a boogeyman story? But one person mistakenly getting detained and then released after 48 hours is not a boogeyman story? Out of how many thousands of deportations? Btw I’m not for that. I already said that the people responsible for these types of mistakes should be punished.

These people think your point of view is disgraceful https://www.thecentersquare.com/arizona/article_98c28f92-6149-11ef-a608-9bdcd0533740.html

It isn’t a card it happened btw. The point is there are unintended consequences to practically all laws. People aren’t nazis/brown shirts just because they don’t agree with you. A pretty large percentage of ICE and Border patrol is actually Hispanic btw.

Strict enforcement of immigration law may have resulted in 6 or 7 people getting temporarily detained out of thousands of deportations. However not enforcing immigration laws makes it easy for criminals to enter the country. Most people aren’t rapist and murders obviously. The error rate is never 0. People who legally have the right to be here are not being rounded up and detained by us govt en masse. No major news organization is claiming this. You can fact check it. It’s totally false. There may have been a half dozen of mistakes out of thousands.

If you don’t want to read my comments that’s fine I don’t really care but it’s kind of a childish reaction. A little viewpoint diversity won’t kill you.

You keep talking about mistakes. Detaining and deporting people without due process is not a mistake. Ignoring the Fifth Amendment is not a mistake. Ignoring legal rulings is not a mistake. Secretly taking away somebody's visa and then pulling them off the street is not a mistake.

And how the hell do you know how many mistakes were made when people are just ripped off the streets and deported without the chance to defend themselves?

You'll probably change your mind very quickly once it happens to you. Or maybe you don't have to worry about it because you're an old white man, and therefore you also don't care if it happens to others.

He's not arguing in good faith. Constant goalpost moving, strawmaning and whataboutism.

It's a waste of time to try and engage with him

> You keep talking about mistakes. Detaining and deporting people without due process is not a mistake. Ignoring the Fifth Amendment is not a mistake. Ignoring legal rulings is not a mistake. Secretly taking away somebody's visa and then pulling them off the street is not a mistake.

That's funny. I'm of Spanish descent (but an American citizen). I guess you could call me a "brown person" if you want.

> Constant goalpost moving, strawmaning and whataboutism.

More like bringing up inconvenient facts. It's quite a claim to call ICE agents nazis/brown shirts without providing any evidence. I wouldn't throw that insult around so loosely at such a large group of people but that's just me.

> And how the hell do you know how many mistakes were made when people are just ripped off the streets and deported without the chance to defend themselves?

So you're saying thousands of American citizens are being targeted because they are of a certain ethnic group and they are vanishing into thin air and nobody is noticing? If such a thing were occurring wouldn't it be all over CNN?

"I'm of Spanish descent"

I find white Americans' obsession with their ancestry genuinely endearing and hilarious. I'm sure you're also Irish, like apparently most white Americans.

"So you're saying..."

No.

"More like bringing up inconvenient facts"

What facts? You're making unsubstantiated claims, ignoring responses, never acknowledging when you're wrong, and just making up new claims.

Remember when you said that "there is nothing that the American government is doing right now that resembles Nazi Germany"? Look how your claim has changed to "there aren't thousands of American citizens being targeted because they're of a certain ethnic group and vanishing into thin air."

Quite a change, isn't it?

Is there any point at which you will admit that you are wrong, and that what's happening right now *does* in fact bear a striking resemblance to what happened in Nazi Germany?

What Plume said.

> I find white Americans' obsession with their ancestry genuinely endearing and hilarious. I'm sure you're also Irish, like apparently most white Americans.

LMAO. So I'm the one obsessing about ancestry? You are the one who wrote this:

"You'll probably change your mind very quickly once it happens to you. Or maybe you don't have to worry about it because you're an **old white man**, and therefore you also don't care if it happens to others."

I would have never brought up the fact that I'm Hispanic if YOU didn't make the assumption that I was an "old white man".

"You're probably also Irish" ..Seriously who talks to people like that? Something's not right. And no I'm not Irish at all btw (not that there is anything wrong with being Irish). My God.

YOU'RE the one claiming that the US gov't is rounding up brown people, targeting them based on their ethnicity (not their legal status?), and disappearing them. I think it's you who is obsessing about people's ancestry. Since I'm Hispanic, with a hispanic last name I guess that makes me a target for deportation so I should be worried? I'm not.

> Remember when you said that "there is nothing that the American government is doing right now that resembles Nazi Germany"? Look how your claim has changed to "there aren't thousands of American citizens being targeted because they're of a certain ethnic group and vanishing into thin air."
> Quite a change, isn't it?
> Is there any point at which you will admit that you are wrong, and that what's happening right now *does* in fact bear a striking resemblance to what happened in Nazi Germany?

A striking resemblance to Nazi Germany? You're grasping at straws and clinging to a conspiracy theory.
Nazis made jewish people wear a star so everyone knew they were jewish. They rounded them up (gypsies too), put them on trains. Then put people in gas chambers or burned them alive. This is like 7th grade history class stuff. The US gov't isn't doing ANYTHING like that. And if they are, where are the news reports of this Nazi like behavior happening in America? If this is so widespread how come nobody is talking about it?

Oh wait I know I know.... you didn't mean the killing people part of Nazi Germany. Not that part. You meant the "deportation part" which is of course the first thing people think about when you talk about the history of Nazi Germany. What a joke. I already mentioned deporting people who are in your country illegally is common practice implemented across the entire world. That isn't a "nazi thing" or an "American thing." Jewish people in Europe were not there illegally BTW. And if they were (or weren't) it would have been a GIFT to be DEPORTED from Nazi Germany instead of being BURNED ALIVE.

When you call people nazis who aren't nazis you're trivializing the atrocities that actually occurred. But do you. Detaining someone for breaking the law is not the definition of Nazi. Sorry.

"They're putting brown people in concentration camps..." Look I don't know your background and I don't want to know. It doesn't matter. I could care less if you're white or not. But take a trip to Miami (where many of the signs in the city are actually written in Spanish) and you'll find plenty of "brown people" that voted Trump. You don't speak for all of us. We have our own beliefs.

> He's not arguing in good faith

Yeah calling people nazis just because they have different politics. That's a real honest good faith argument.

You're not responding to any of the points I'm making and misrepresenting what I wrote.

I explained very clearly what the parallels are between what is happening now and Nazi Germany. You keep ignoring what I wrote and instead accuse me of drawing parallels between the current US government and Nazi Germany because they are "deporting people who are in [our] country illegally." This is a misrepresentation of what I said.

Just now, Trump declared an emergency and took control of Washington's police, is censoring the Smithsonian, is planning to suspend releasing job numbers from the Bureau of Labour Statistics, has ordered the State Department to edit the human rights report based on his personal preferences, and has threatened the homeless with jail. ICE was just sued for deporting a four-year-old US citizen without due process, interrupting his cancer treatment. Totally normal things that bear absolutely no resemblance to the Weimar Republic or Nazi Germany, I'm sure.

As for "bad-faith arguments", you're making one in the exact sentence where you're responding to the accusation: "calling people nazis just because they have different politics." Nobody did that.

I'm not sure whether you are lying to yourself or trolling, but you need to consider what is happening and why you need to misrepresent people's positions to refute them. If your position is so untenable and indefensible that it requires you to lie, your position is wrong.

If you're genuinely trying to make a good-faith argument, I hope the leopards won't eat *your* face. I hope you'll be okay.

> You're not responding to any of the points I'm making and misrepresenting what I wrote. [..] I explained very clearly what the parallels are between what is happening now and Nazi Germany. You keep ignoring what I wrote and instead accuse me of drawing parallels between the current US government and Nazi Germany because they are "deporting people who are in [our] country illegally." This is a misrepresentation of what I said.

I didn't respond to all of your arguments mostly because this is a tech blog and I have doubts that @mjtsai wants to moderate a long back and forth political argument. But also because so many of your arguments are so absurd that anyone who does a little bit of research, or hasn't been living under a rock for the past two years already knows that they are false.

For example earlier you claimed:

>he called for Liz Cheney to be shot,

Anyone can easily look this information up. This isn't true. It was propaganda spread during the 2024 election.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/bill-maher-calls-out-media-‘lie’-that-trump-called-for-liz-cheney-‘firing-squad’-‘exactly-what-hippies-used-to-say’/vi-AA1tocbt?t=5

https://checkyourfact.com/2024/11/03/fact-check-did-donald-trump-call-for-liz-cheney-to-be-executed/

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fact-check-did-trump-call-for-liz-cheney-to-face-a-firing-squad/ar-AA1tlGr5

https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/11/01/trump-threaten-liz-cheney-shot/

And if you don't like any of those fact checking websites (or Bill Maher) that's fine you don't need them. The transcript of what he actually said can be obtained easily.

So I'm not sure how much stuff like this is really even worth responding to. But just to humor you a bit more:

>Just now, Trump declared an emergency and took control of Washington's police,

Washington DC can be a dangerous place (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Seth_Rich). Deploying police to keep people SAFE is not even remotely comparable to what went on in Nazi Germany. Read about what actually happened in Nazi Germany: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht.

If you can say with a straight face that what the police are doing in DC right now is comparable to what the Nazis did in Germany I'm sorry but you're not playing with a full deck.
I just saw a guy on TV last night throw a sandwich at a cop and run off. Do you think people were throwing sandwiches at the SS in Nazi Germany? That guy is an asshole btw but he's going to be okay. He'll pay a fine and he should be embarrassed but Trump isn't going to send him to a Gulag.

It's one thing to disagree with policies. If you don't think deploying police in DC is a good thing, if you think the tradeoffs/unintended consequences aren't worth it, it's perfectly reasonable to have that debate. But Nazi? Nazis are everywhere? Police officers are nazis, Ice agents are nazis, the president is a nazi...it makes you look silly and unserious.

You two should keep bickering with each other a little longer. I think if you keep it up just a bit more, you'll convince the other one that you're right and they're wrong and everyone else here will give you a big round of applause, and definitely not be annoyed at yet another stupid example of Godwin's law in action where nothing productive is actually happening.

"I didn't respond to all of your arguments mostly because this is a tech blog and I have doubts that @mjtsai wants to moderate a long back and forth political argument"

Then stop responding.

"Anyone can easily look this information up. This isn't true"

Carlson: "Is it weird for you to see Liz Cheney, that would be Dick Cheney's repulsive little daughter, running against you with Kamala Harris?"

Trump: "Well, I think it hurts Kamala a lot, actually. Look, she's a deranged person. But the reason she couldn't stand me is that she always wanted to go to war with people. I don't want to go to war. She wanted to go to... she wanted to stay in Syria. I took 'em out. She wanted to stay in Iraq and I took 'em out. I mean, if it were up to her, we'd be in fifty different countries. And then you go a couple of years forward, go now... and I don't blame him for sticking with his daughter, but his daughter is a very dumb individual. Very dumb. She's a radical warhawk. Let's put her with a rifle, standing there, with nine barrels shooting at her, okay? Let's see how she feels about it. You know, when the guns are trained on her face."

We can all decide for ourselves what we think of this kind of rhetoric.

Also, I'd like to point out that you still ignore almost everything I said.

"Washington DC can be a dangerous place"

Violent crime has declined consistently since reaching a peak in 2023, a trend that mirrors many other US cities.

Further up, you made the argument that "if Obama had the same meeting with Cook I think the comments here would be completely different." Have you considered how this applies to your decision-making process regarding what is acceptable and what is not? Would you make this argument regardless of who the president is? It's okay for any president to declare an emergency because "x can be a dangerous place"?

"If you can say with a straight face that what the police are doing in DC right now is comparable to what the Nazis did in Germany"

Please note what I wrote above: "Taken alone, any one of these would be kind of weird, but collectively, the picture is clear."

"You two should keep bickering with each other a little longer"

That's very helpful, thank you.