{"id":52866,"date":"2026-08-07T17:25:30","date_gmt":"2026-08-07T21:25:30","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/?p=52866"},"modified":"2026-08-14T10:59:51","modified_gmt":"2026-08-14T14:59:51","slug":"dark-hours-rejected-from-the-app-store","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2026\/08\/07\/dark-hours-rejected-from-the-app-store\/","title":{"rendered":"Dark Hours Rejected From the App Store"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[Update: See the <a href=\"#dark-hours-rejected-from-the-app-store-update-2026-08-10\">retraction below<\/a>.]<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/blog.terrygodier.com\/2026\/08\/07\/browsers-have-standards-the-app.html\">Terry Godier<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/blog.terrygodier.com\/2026\/08\/07\/browsers-have-standards-the-app.html\">\n<p>On the web, if I build something that works within the standards, it works. Whether people use it is up to them. On iOS, there is another question entirely: whether Apple decides it should exist.<\/p>\n<p>[&#8230;]<\/p>\n<p>In the past couple of years I&rsquo;ve built three apps that were rejected from the App Store on various grounds.<\/p>\n<p>[&#8230;]<\/p>\n<p>A while ago I tried to submit an iOS app for <a href=\"https:\/\/darkhours.io\">Dark Hours<\/a>, my astronomy website for normal people. It was rejected on the grounds that it was astrology.<\/p>\n<p>[&#8230;]<\/p>\n<p>I see countless ChatGPT wrappers with nearly identical icons and eye-watering subscriptions. I see astronomy apps requesting permissions that have nothing to do with looking at the night sky. My kids download games that interrupt play every few minutes to advertise the developer&rsquo;s other subscription apps, each with their own $20&#x2013;50 yearly plans.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p>Via <a href=\"https:\/\/daringfireball.net\/2026\/08\/app_store_rejection_of_the_week_dark_hours\">John Gruber<\/a> (<a href=\"https:\/\/mastodon.social\/@daringfireball\/117055236527693882\">Mastodon<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/news.ycombinator.com\/item?id=49214863\">Hacker News<\/a>):<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/daringfireball.net\/2026\/08\/app_store_rejection_of_the_week_dark_hours\">\n<p>But if you actually look at Godier&rsquo;s <a href=\"https:\/\/darkhours.io\/\">Dark Hours<\/a>, for even just a few seconds, it is instantly obvious that it pertains to the science of astronomy and has absolutely nothing&#x2009;&mdash;&#x2009;zero, zilch, nada&#x2009;&mdash;&#x2009;to do with astrology.<\/p>\n<p>[&#8230;]<\/p>\n<p>Godier proceeded through a series of escalations up to the App Review Board and the Review Board responded that they determined the original rejection was <em>valid<\/em> because, I shit you not, &ldquo;We understand that the app includes a live tarot reading feature.&rdquo; Which isn&rsquo;t even about astrology. It&rsquo;s straight out of Kafka.<\/p>\n<p>[&#8230;]<\/p>\n<p>This isn&rsquo;t just contrary to the benefit of developers, like Godier. It&rsquo;s obviously contrary to the benefit of Apple itself, which  should not just <em>accept<\/em> an app like Dark Hours, but <em>celebrate<\/em> it as an exemplar of the platform.<\/p>\n<p>Mistakes happen. But in a functioning system mistakes get corrected, and mistakes as obvious as this one get corrected almost instantly and include a quick apology for the conflation. The App Store is not a functioning system.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p>Previously:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2026\/07\/29\/chrome-browser-default-at-the-top-of-the-mac-app-store\/\">Chrome Browser Default at the Top of the Mac App Store<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2026\/05\/25\/apps-for-youtube\/\">Apps for YouTube&#x2120;&trade;&reg;&#8226;!<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2020\/06\/24\/struck-rejected-from-the-app-store\/\">Struck Rejected From the App Store<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n<p id=\"dark-hours-rejected-from-the-app-store-update-2026-08-10\">Update (<a href=\"#dark-hours-rejected-from-the-app-store-update-2026-08-10\">2026-08-10<\/a>): <a href=\"https:\/\/daringfireball.net\/2026\/08\/retraction_app_store_rejection_of_the_week\">John Gruber<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/daringfireball.net\/2026\/08\/retraction_app_store_rejection_of_the_week\">\n<p>To the best of my recollection, this is the first post I&rsquo;ve retracted in the 24 years I&rsquo;ve been writing Daring Fireball. I hope it&rsquo;s the last. I was misled, both overtly and through omissions[&#8230;]<\/p>\n<p>[&#8230;]<\/p>\n<p>The truth is, the app, as originally submitted by Godier to the App Store (under the name &ldquo;Asterly&rdquo;, not &ldquo;Dark Hours&rdquo;), was entirely dedicated to astrology, not astronomy, and did in fact include a &ldquo;Tarot card of the day&rdquo; feature amongst other occultist horseshit.<\/p>\n<p>[&#8230;]<\/p>\n<p>I wrongly took Godier at his word, both in his public blog post and in private iMessage correspondence yesterday, that the rejection wasn&rsquo;t just merely debatable, but completely and rather preposterously ungrounded. Whether Godier ever submitted a build of &ldquo;Asterly&rdquo; to the App Store that contained no occult horseshit and only the hard-science astronomy features that were present in his &ldquo;Dark Hours&rdquo; website that was available for the last week, I don&rsquo;t know. But I have no reason to believe that he did.<\/p>\n<p>[&#8230;]<\/p>\n<p>In an uncomfortable exchange between Beher and Godier on Bluesky, Beher pointed out that Godier&rsquo;s Dark Hours had the same bug as Beher&rsquo;s that <a href=\"https:\/\/bsky.app\/profile\/mmmeh.bsky.social\/post\/3mslc3b3u4c2l\">routed people to &ldquo;random fields in Mexico&rdquo;<\/a>. Earlier today, Godier <a href=\"https:\/\/blog.terrygodier.com\/2026\/08\/09\/mea-culpa-dark-hours.html\">took his web app down<\/a> and redirected his <code>darkhours.io<\/code> domain to Beher&rsquo;s <code>darkhours.app<\/code>.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p>I&rsquo;m really unhappy about this, both for my role in spreading a false story and because I think it will hurt the cause of reforming App Review. I know there <em>are<\/em> many crazy rejections and have experienced some first-hand. This story was believable because of that well-known history and because Godier didn&rsquo;t seem like a nobody trying to get attention&mdash;he was the developer of another highly regarded app. But now people are going to point to true developer stories and accuse them of being fakes, too.<\/p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/mastodon.social\/@lapcatsoftware\/117065184378760613\">Jeff Johnson<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/mastodon.social\/@lapcatsoftware\/117065184378760613\">\n<p>Terry Godier has just published a so-called &ldquo;<a href=\"https:\/\/blog.terrygodier.com\/2026\/08\/09\/mea-culpa-dark-hours.html\">Mea Culpa<\/a>&rdquo; blaming Claude for cloning an open source app and denying foreknowledge.<\/p>\n<p>There&rsquo;s no mention of or apology for how Godier deceived Gruber and the world about the astronomy\/astrology App Store submission\/rejection.<\/p>\n<p>The blog post essentially confirms that this person cannot be trusted.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p id=\"dark-hours-rejected-from-the-app-store-update-2026-08-11\">Update (<a href=\"#dark-hours-rejected-from-the-app-store-update-2026-08-11\">2026-08-11<\/a>): <a href=\"https:\/\/mastodon.social\/@colincornaby\/117069185435215102\">Colin Cornaby<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/mastodon.social\/@colincornaby\/117069185435215102\">\n<p>BOTH projects were generated using Claude. So you have two people - both generating the same app from the same training data - having a public throw down over who copied who.<\/p>\n<p>[&#8230;]<\/p>\n<p>The &ldquo;original&rdquo; developer does claim to know how to code - which wasn&rsquo;t clear from my research. That still doesn&rsquo;t necessarily mean the original app was the source of the training data. They both may be a result of the same training data.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/mastodon.social\/@nicklockwood\/117069670583842298\">Nick Lockwood<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/mastodon.social\/@nicklockwood\/117069670583842298\">\n<p>Holy shit, so the &ldquo;Claude plagiarised an app&rdquo; story is actually &ldquo;Claude produced the same app twice when prompted to do so by two separate developers&rdquo; &#x1F605;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p>It&rsquo;s <a href=\"https:\/\/mastodon.social\/@mjtsai\/117073244673258593\">not clear to me<\/a> exactly how much each developer relied on Claude or which training data was used, but I wanted to note this angle of the story.<\/p>\n\n<p id=\"dark-hours-rejected-from-the-app-store-update-2026-08-14\">Update (<a href=\"#dark-hours-rejected-from-the-app-store-update-2026-08-14\">2026-08-14<\/a>): <a href=\"https:\/\/mastodon.social\/@rosyna\/117078581032520828\">Rosyna Keller<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/mastodon.social\/@rosyna\/117078581032520828\">\n<p>With all this talk of an astrology app being rejected by App Store review I&rsquo;m reminded there&rsquo;s still a flat Earth\/astrology app on the App Store that actively leaks the location of all of its users.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[Update: See the retraction below.] Terry Godier: On the web, if I build something that works within the standards, it works. 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