{"id":45120,"date":"2024-09-26T16:17:13","date_gmt":"2024-09-26T20:17:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/?p=45120"},"modified":"2024-10-02T11:17:35","modified_gmt":"2024-10-02T15:17:35","slug":"iphone-80-charging-limit","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2024\/09\/26\/iphone-80-charging-limit\/","title":{"rendered":"iPhone 80% Charging Limit"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2024\/09\/24\/iphone-80-percent-charging-test\/\">Juli Clover<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2024\/09\/24\/iphone-80-percent-charging-test\/\"><p>With the iPhone 15 models that came out last year, Apple added an opt-in battery setting that limits maximum charge to 80 percent. The idea is that never charging the iPhone above 80 percent will increase battery longevity, so I kept my  iPhone  at that 80 percent limit from September 2023 to now, with no cheating.<\/p><p>My  iPhone 15  Pro Max battery level is currently at 94 percent with 299 cycles. For a lot of 2024, my battery level stayed above 97 percent, but it started dropping more rapidly over the last couple of months.<\/p><p>[&#8230;]<\/p><p>I don&rsquo;t have a lot of data points for comparison, but it does seem that limiting the charge to 80 percent kept my maximum battery capacity higher than what my co-workers are seeing, but there isn&rsquo;t a major difference. I have four percent more battery at 28 more cycles, and I&rsquo;m not sure suffering through an 80 percent battery limit for 12 months was ultimately worth it.<\/p><p>It&rsquo;s possible that the real gains from an 80 percent limit will come in two or three years rather than a single year, and I&rsquo;ll keep it limited to 80 percent to see the longer term impact.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/daringfireball.net\/linked\/2024\/09\/24\/clover-iphone-15-battery-limit\">John Gruber<\/a> (<a href=\"https:\/\/mastodon.social\/@daringfireball\/113194956371059226\">Mastodon<\/a>):<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/daringfireball.net\/linked\/2024\/09\/24\/clover-iphone-15-battery-limit\">\n<p>I&rsquo;m so glad Clover ran this test for a year and reported her results, because it backs up my assumption: for most people there&rsquo;s no practical point to limiting your iPhone&rsquo;s charging capacity. All you&rsquo;re doing is preventing yourself from ever enjoying a 100-percent-capacity battery. Let the device manage its own battery. Apple has put a lot of engineering into making that really smart.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p>My iPhone 15 Pro, now just under a year old, shows a maximum capacity of 91% and a cycle count of 145. I have been using the automatic optimized charging, mostly via MagSafe. The cycle count is low so I expected better. I certainly notice the phone depleting more than when it was new<\/p>\n\n<p>I think there are two conclusions here. First, the benefit of the 80% limit is not very clear, although presumably Apple had reason to believe it would help in some circumstances. Second, batteries still don&rsquo;t last very long, even with the fancy optimized charging. It still seems like the health will be almost down to 80% after two years. I wish battery replacements were easier or that Apple started out with larger batteries for more headroom.<\/p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/journa.host\/@mcelhearn\/113194981198390934\">Kirk McElhearn<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/journa.host\/@mcelhearn\/113194981198390934\">\n<p>[The] iPhone 15 is the first one that&rsquo;s rated for 1000 cycles, not 500 like previous models. I would expect battery health to be over 90% after a year; if it&rsquo;s not, I see it hard for it to last 1000 cycles and still charge to 80%.<\/p>\n<p>[&#8230;]<\/p>\n<p>[The] real story is that these phones won&rsquo;t last 1000 cycles. I don&rsquo;t think most of the people in the comments realize that the iPhone 15 is supposed to last twice as long as previous iPhones.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p>My <a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2022\/04\/29\/apple-watch-late-adopter\/\">2 1\/2-year-old<\/a> Apple Watch SE is down to 76% battery health. Apple recommends that I service it, but I&rsquo;m not sure it&rsquo;s worth $99 for a new battery when there will probably be a new SE soon. What&rsquo;s strange is that the watch <em>usually<\/em> easily lasts through the day, but sometimes it will run out of power around 5 PM for no apparent reason. The Settings app shows that it was fully charged in the morning and then steadily declined, even though I wasn&rsquo;t really even using it. Unlike on iOS, there doesn&rsquo;t seem to be a way to display the power drain by app.<\/p>\n\n<p>See also:<\/p>\n\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/pxlnv.com\/linklog\/80-percent-charging-limit\/\">Nick Heer<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/schwarztech.net\/snippets\/apples-80-charging-limit-for-iphone-how-much-did-it-help-after-a-year\">Eric Schwarz<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/shapeof.com\/archives\/2024\/9\/iphone_battery_life_after_a_year_at_80.html\">August Mueller<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mastodon.social\/@andrewabernathy\/113201410914608817\">Andrew Abernathy<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/birchtree.me\/blog\/when-does-it-become-worth-it\/\">Matt Birchler<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/talk.tidbits.com\/t\/does-limiting-an-iphone-s-battery-charging-to-80-increase-lifespan\/29005\">TidBITS-Talk<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n<p>Previously:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2022\/08\/15\/products-useful-lifespans-should-be-longer-than-their-batteries\/\">Products&rsquo; Useful Lifespans Should Be Longer Than Their Batteries<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2022\/05\/27\/turning-a-basic-task-into-a-complicated-nightmare\/\">Turning a Basic Task Into a Complicated Nightmare<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2018\/10\/26\/mysterious-reduced-iphone-battery-life\/\">Mysterious Reduced iPhone Battery Life<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2017\/12\/28\/apple-iphone-battery-message\/\">Apple&rsquo;s Message to Customers About iPhone Batteries and Performance<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2017\/12\/22\/apple-confirms-that-it-throttles-iphones-with-degraded-batteries\/\">Apple Confirms That It Throttles iPhones With Degraded Batteries<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n<p id=\"iphone-80-charging-limit-update-2024-09-27\">Update (2024-09-27): See also: <a href=\"https:\/\/news.ycombinator.com\/item?id=41645443\">Hacker News<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n<p id=\"iphone-80-charging-limit-update-2024-10-02\">Update (2024-10-02): <a href=\"https:\/\/pxlnv.com\/linklog\/iphone-battery-limit-followup\/\">Nick Heer<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/pxlnv.com\/linklog\/iphone-battery-limit-followup\/\">\n<p>Here is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.icloud.com\/numbers\/089UajPq7J4hF5lHCwAfsSxKQ#iPhone_Battery_Limiter\">my Numbers spreadsheet<\/a> with a little over a hundred reports. As I was entering it, two things struck me:<\/p>\n\n<ol>\n<li><p>Far more of the people reporting 100% remaining battery capacity after typical use have turned on the charge limiter.<\/p><\/li>\n<li><p>People who use the charge limiter seem to also use their phones less but, critically, the 80% limiter appears to help lighter users.<\/p><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n<\/blockquote>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Juli Clover: With the iPhone 15 models that came out last year, Apple added an opt-in battery setting that limits maximum charge to 80 percent. The idea is that never charging the iPhone above 80 percent will increase battery longevity, so I kept my iPhone at that 80 percent limit from September 2023 to now, [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"apple_news_api_created_at":"2024-09-26T20:17:17Z","apple_news_api_id":"61c0a86e-830c-4f51-bfaf-1aae04a291ca","apple_news_api_modified_at":"2024-10-02T15:17:38Z","apple_news_api_revision":"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQ==","apple_news_api_share_url":"https:\/\/apple.news\/AYcCoboMMT1G_rxquBKKRyg","apple_news_coverimage":0,"apple_news_coverimage_caption":"","apple_news_is_hidden":false,"apple_news_is_paid":false,"apple_news_is_preview":false,"apple_news_is_sponsored":false,"apple_news_maturity_rating":"","apple_news_metadata":"\"\"","apple_news_pullquote":"","apple_news_pullquote_position":"","apple_news_slug":"","apple_news_sections":"\"\"","apple_news_suppress_video_url":false,"apple_news_use_image_component":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[28,2208,31,2321,85,2456,1212,2607,2599],"class_list":["post-45120","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-technology","tag-batterylife","tag-battery-replacement","tag-ios","tag-ios-17","tag-iphone","tag-iphone-15-pro","tag-watchos","tag-watchos-11","tag-watchos-26"],"apple_news_notices":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/45120","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=45120"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/45120\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":45189,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/45120\/revisions\/45189"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=45120"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=45120"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=45120"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}