{"id":43388,"date":"2024-05-24T11:15:49","date_gmt":"2024-05-24T15:15:49","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/?p=43388"},"modified":"2024-07-05T15:59:40","modified_gmt":"2024-07-05T19:59:40","slug":"redesigned-apple-developer-forums","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2024\/05\/24\/redesigned-apple-developer-forums\/","title":{"rendered":"Redesigned Apple Developer Forums"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/developer.apple.com\/news\/?id=hufhlpow\">Apple<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/developer.apple.com\/news\/?id=hufhlpow\">\n<p>The Apple Developer Forums have been redesigned for WWDC24 to help developers connect with Apple experts, engineers, and each other to find answers and get advice.<\/p>\n<p>Apple Developer Relations and Apple engineering are joining forces to field your questions and work to solve your technical issues. You&rsquo;ll have access to an expanded knowledge base and enjoy quick response times &mdash; so you can get back to creating and enhancing your app or game. Plus, Apple Developer Program members now have priority access to expert advice on the forums.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>I don&rsquo;t understand what &ldquo;priority access&rdquo; means. Is this another way of saying that some sections (e.g. related to new stuff announced at WWDC) will be hidden if you aren&rsquo;t logged in?<\/p>\n<p>It seems like Apple keeps reskinning <a href=\"https:\/\/developer.apple.com\/forums\/\">the forums<\/a>, but the core problems remain. They&rsquo;re really slow, the interface doesn&rsquo;t work as well as Stack Overflow or Discourse, and most questions never get good answers, if any at all. With a few notable exceptions, Apple doesn&rsquo;t seem to pay its engineers to hang out there and answer questions. Sometimes that happens for a little while during WWDC but then stops.<\/p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/mastodon.social\/@chockenberry\/112491917526724015\">Craig Hockenberry<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/mastodon.social\/@chockenberry\/112491917526724015\"><p>So where is the switch to disable the help in the new Apple Developer Forums?<\/p><p>It&rsquo;s a nice idea, but in a world where I use multiple browsers on multiple devices, it&rsquo;s repetitive and intrusive.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>It never remembers that I&rsquo;m logged in, so I keep seeing the annoying, Apple ID&#x2013;specific login sheet. It always suggests entering the password for my non-developer Apple ID and has no keyboard control to select the <strong>Use a different Apple ID<\/strong> button that doesn&rsquo;t look like a button.<\/p>\n\n<p>Previously:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2021\/05\/27\/apple-developer-forums-now-have-rss\/\">Apple Developer Forums Now Have RSS<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2021\/03\/02\/apple-developer-forums-can-now-monitor-threads\/\">Apple Developer Forums Can Now Monitor Threads<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2020\/06\/19\/new-apple-developer-forum\/\">New Apple Developer Forum<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2014\/01\/08\/apple-shutting-down-developer-mailing-lists\/\">Apple Shutting Down Developer Mailing Lists<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/antoniostrijdom\/status\/1794299380444594218\">Author<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/x.com\/antoniostrijdom\/status\/1794299380444594218\">\n<p><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p id=\"redesigned-apple-developer-forums-update-2024-05-28\"><a href=\"https:\/\/iosdevweekly.com\/issues\/662?#start\">Dave Verwer<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/iosdevweekly.com\/issues\/662?#start\">\n<p>But what about my only request? Four years seems like a good amount of time to see if Apple employees are being encouraged and given time to participate. The good news is that plenty of Apple folks are active, made obvious by the little Apple badge added to any thread where they are talking. Taking a couple of popular categories, I found that ~30% of recent threads had Apple involvement. That&rsquo;s much better than I expected, and those categories all had threads spanning more than two weeks, so it&rsquo;s not just a flurry of activity related to the launch of this refresh.<\/p>\n<p>Looking at reply and view counts on threads in those same categories, it appears they are not particularly well visited, and most threads only had two-digit view counts.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/weekly.fatbobman.com\/p\/fatbobmans-swift-weekly-033\">Fatbobman<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/weekly.fatbobman.com\/p\/fatbobmans-swift-weekly-033\">\n<p>Historically, as an official platform of Apple, this forum has not achieved the desired levels of activity. Despite recent efforts by Apple to boost engagement through the introduction of a points system, the impact has been limited. For many developers, this forum is not the preferred choice for technical exchanges. Insufficient popularity, overly detailed categorization, a lack of a unique community atmosphere, and unappealing incentive mechanisms have all hindered the development of the forum. More importantly, the expected advantage of active participation by Apple engineers, a hallmark of an official forum, has not been fully realized.<\/p>\n<p>In the new version of the forum, Apple engineers are now identified by a uniform symbol (an Apple logo on their avatar), replacing the previous method of signing their posts. However, this approach of answering under departmental identities has inadvertently increased the distance between engineers and developers, making the interactions less personal and lacking in emotional engagement, which is not conducive to fostering a welcoming forum atmosphere.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p>See also: <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/antoniostrijdom\/status\/1794032263552008411\">Antonio Strijdom<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n<p id=\"redesigned-apple-developer-forums-update-2024-05-29\">Update (2024-05-29): <a href=\"https:\/\/mastodon.social\/@chockenberry\/112497448536972704\">Craig Hockenberry<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/mastodon.social\/@chockenberry\/112497448536972704\"><p>I saw this half a dozen times yesterday and a few times today.<\/p><p>If you work on Developer Forums, or know someone who does, please make it stop.<\/p><p>(Also of note: developers have a pretty good understanding of how forum software works - we&rsquo;ve used everything from phpBB to Stack Overflow. A single page summary of what&rsquo;s different would be much more effective.)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n<p id=\"redesigned-apple-developer-forums-update-2024-06-12\">Update (2024-06-12): <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/krzyzanowskim\/status\/1800833038840119346\">Marcin Krzyzanowski<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/x.com\/krzyzanowskim\/status\/1800833038840119346\">\n<p>&#x1FA84; magical 2 weeks of the year when Apple employees allowed to answer technical questions on Apple Developer Forum for whole 2 weeks<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p id=\"redesigned-apple-developer-forums-update-2024-06-19\">Update (2024-06-19): Rich Trouton has been posting his excellent WWDC session notes in the forums for years, but this year his thread <a href=\"https:\/\/derflounder.wordpress.com\/2024\/06\/15\/wwdc-2024-notes\/\">was deleted without explanation<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/derflounder.wordpress.com\/2024\/06\/15\/wwdc-2024-notes\/\">\n<p>As the Apple developer forums were the only location that I felt were safe to post this content, and because I have no desire to speak with Apple Legal about this issue, I will not be sharing the notes I took at WWDC to any other locations.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p>Previously:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2024\/06\/14\/wwdc-2024-links\/\">WWDC 2024 Links<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n<p id=\"redesigned-apple-developer-forums-update-2024-07-05\">Update (2024-07-05): <a href=\"https:\/\/derflounder.wordpress.com\/2024\/06\/15\/wwdc-2024-notes\/\">Rich Trouton<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/derflounder.wordpress.com\/2024\/06\/15\/wwdc-2024-notes\/\">\n<p>I learned about the posts being restored via a message from Apple that the notes were restored, along with an apology for their previous removal. 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