{"id":41842,"date":"2024-01-23T15:19:18","date_gmt":"2024-01-23T20:19:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/?p=41842"},"modified":"2024-01-30T10:09:50","modified_gmt":"2024-01-30T15:09:50","slug":"campfire-is-once-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2024\/01\/23\/campfire-is-once-1\/","title":{"rendered":"Campfire Is ONCE #1"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/once.com\/\">Jason Fried<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/once.com\/\"><p><strong>Once<\/strong> upon a time you owned what you paid for, you controlled what you depended on, and your privacy and security were your own business. We think it&rsquo;s that time again.<\/p><p>Introducing <strong>ONCE<\/strong>, a new line of software products from <a href=\"https:\/\/37signals.com\">37signals<\/a>.<\/p><ul><li>Pay one time, own forever.<\/li><li>We write the code, you get to see it.<\/li><li>We give you the software, you get to host it.<\/li><li>Simple and straightforward, not enterprisey and bloated.<\/li><\/ul><p>[&#8230;]<\/p><p>In the early 2000s, we were among the early pioneers leading the industry into the SaaS revolution. Now, 20 years later, we intend to help lead the way out.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/world.hey.com\/dhh\/campfire-is-once-1-d2cebd12\">David Heinemeier Hansson<\/a> (<a href=\"https:\/\/news.ycombinator.com\/item?id=39060006\">Hacker<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/news.ycombinator.com\/item?id=39048962\">News<\/a>):<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/world.hey.com\/dhh\/campfire-is-once-1-d2cebd12\"><p>SaaS is great for systems that need to be services. The kind of software that&rsquo;s constantly evolving or difficult to operate.<\/p><p>[&#8230;]<\/p><p>But there&rsquo;s also a lot of SaaS that does not need to be a service. That could just as well be a simple product. A <a href=\"https:\/\/world.hey.com\/dhh\/finished-software-8ee43637\">finished product<\/a>, even. And we think standalone chat is the perfect example of that. It&rsquo;s simply ridiculous to hear people paying hundreds of dollars a month, if not thousands, if not TENS OF THOUSANDS, for a system like Slack. When all they need is a basic system for their employees to talk to each other.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>It seems like there&rsquo;s an opportunity here because Slack is way too heavyweight and expensive for a lot of companies and organizations. And I like the idea of having control over my data and access to the source code, even though it isn&rsquo;t open-source. $299 gets you three years of bug and security fixes. I&rsquo;m not sure what happens after that. No software is ever truly a finished product.<\/p>\n<p>For many years, I used <a href=\"https:\/\/www.vbulletin.com\">vBulletin<\/a>, which kind of had this model except that they had the ambition to keep rewriting the software, adding bloat and bugs. I would keep buying paid upgrades but turning off the new features because they were no longer maintaining the old versions.<\/p>\n<p>Currently, I&rsquo;m using <a href=\"https:\/\/sendy.co\">Sendy<\/a>, which also has a one-time fee.<\/p>\n\n<p>Previously:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2024\/01\/05\/hey-calendar-rejected-from-the-app-store\/\">HEY Calendar Rejected From the App Store<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n<p id=\"campfire-is-once-1-update-2024-01-30\">Update (2024-01-30): <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Austen\/status\/1752064934970896626\">Austen Allred<\/a> (via <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/dhh\/status\/1752088686295208120\">David Heinemeier Hansson<\/a>):<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Austen\/status\/1752064934970896626\"><p>Having paid Slack <em>millions<\/em> of dollars, exporting our data is failing. We tried a few ways, none of it works.<\/p><p>Slack&rsquo;s response?<\/p><p>&ldquo;Sign a new contract or your data automatically enters deletion queue.&rdquo;<\/p><p>In case you&rsquo;re wondering, the &ldquo;services package&rdquo; they are referring to where they would migrate the data <em>for us<\/em> was quoted at $78,000.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>His tweet got 1.7M views, and the CEO of Salesforce responded promptly. If you have less reach, good luck <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/_glnarayanan\/status\/1752096864248397865\">getting out the data<\/a> that you <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Austen\/status\/1752068324429808099\">supposedly own<\/a>.<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Jason Fried: Once upon a time you owned what you paid for, you controlled what you depended on, and your privacy and security were your own business. We think it&rsquo;s that time again.Introducing ONCE, a new line of software products from 37signals.Pay one time, own forever.We write the code, you get to see it.We give [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"apple_news_api_created_at":"2024-01-23T20:19:23Z","apple_news_api_id":"309af630-b37d-486b-82e0-b27677ed50a0","apple_news_api_modified_at":"2024-01-30T14:47:57Z","apple_news_api_revision":"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQ==","apple_news_api_share_url":"https:\/\/apple.news\/AMJr2MLN9SGuC4LJ2d-1QoA","apple_news_coverimage":0,"apple_news_coverimage_caption":"","apple_news_is_hidden":false,"apple_news_is_paid":false,"apple_news_is_preview":false,"apple_news_is_sponsored":false,"apple_news_maturity_rating":"","apple_news_metadata":"\"\"","apple_news_pullquote":"","apple_news_pullquote_position":"","apple_news_slug":"","apple_news_sections":"\"\"","apple_news_suppress_video_url":false,"apple_news_use_image_component":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[1421,101,2540,827,1016,355,308,1010,1500,2541,96],"class_list":["post-41842","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-technology","tag-app-subscriptions","tag-business","tag-campfire","tag-chat","tag-datacide","tag-privacy","tag-rails","tag-sendy","tag-slack","tag-vbulletin","tag-web"],"apple_news_notices":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/41842","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=41842"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/41842\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":41916,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/41842\/revisions\/41916"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=41842"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=41842"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=41842"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}