{"id":41188,"date":"2023-11-22T15:46:08","date_gmt":"2023-11-22T20:46:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/?p=41188"},"modified":"2023-12-19T11:22:49","modified_gmt":"2023-12-19T16:22:49","slug":"spotifys-google-play-store-deal","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2023\/11\/22\/spotifys-google-play-store-deal\/","title":{"rendered":"Spotify&rsquo;s Google Play Store Deal"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/2023\/11\/20\/23969690\/google-spotify-android-billing-commission-secret-deal\">Adi Robertson and Sean Hollister<\/a> (<a href=\"https:\/\/news.ycombinator.com\/item?id=38354753\">Hacker News<\/a>):<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/2023\/11\/20\/23969690\/google-spotify-android-billing-commission-secret-deal\"><p>Music streaming service Spotify struck a seemingly unique and highly generous deal with Google for Android-based payments, according to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/2023\/11\/20\/23964151\/why-google-wanted-to-keep-spotify-numbers-secret-spotify-pays-zero-percent-for-user-choice-billing\">new testimony<\/a> in the <em>Epic v. Google<\/em> trial. On the stand, Google head of global partnerships Don Harrison confirmed Spotify paid a 0 percent commission when users chose to buy subscriptions through Spotify&rsquo;s own system. If the users picked Google as their payment processor, Spotify handed over 4 percent &mdash; dramatically less than Google&rsquo;s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/2023\/11\/9\/23954376\/google-spotify-user-choice-billing-deal-bumble-epic\">more common 15 percent fee<\/a>.<\/p><p>Google fought to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/2023\/11\/8\/23952478\/epic-google-play-spotify-user-choice-billing\">keep the Spotify numbers private<\/a> during its antitrust fight with Epic, saying they could damage negotiations with other app developers who might want more generous rates. Google&rsquo;s User Choice Billing program, launched in 2022, is typically described as <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/2022\/11\/10\/23451643\/spotify-google-android-user-choice-billing-now-available\">shaving about 4 percent<\/a> off Google&rsquo;s Play Store commission if developers use their own payment system, bringing down Google&rsquo;s 15 percent subscription service fee to more like 11 percent. That often ends up saving developers little or no money since they must foot the cost of payment processing themselves.<\/p><p>[&#8230;]<\/p><p>Google <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/2023\/11\/9\/23954376\/google-spotify-user-choice-billing-deal-bumble-epic\">would not name other developers<\/a> that have gotten the company to agree to more generous rates. During the trial, we learned that <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/23954852\/google-netflix-app-store-deal-play-10-percent-revshare\">Google offered Netflix a special discounted rate of just 10 percent<\/a>, but Netflix refused. Netflix no longer offers an in-app purchase option on Android and no longer pays Google anything to distribute its app as a result.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n<p>Previously:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2023\/11\/22\/apple-asked-amazon-to-block-rival-ads\/\">Apple Asked Amazon to Block Rival Ads<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2023\/10\/23\/cue-testimony-in-us-v-google\/\">Cue Testimony in US v. Google<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2023\/07\/03\/apple-resisting-further-changes-to-anti-steering-rules\/\">Apple Resisting Further Changes to Anti-Steering Rules<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2022\/03\/28\/special-app-store-behavior-for-disney-subscriptions\/\">Special App Store Behavior for Disney+ Subscriptions<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2022\/02\/04\/app-store-external-purchase-fee-27\/\">App Store External Purchase Fee: 27%<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2020\/08\/21\/seeking-special-app-store-deals\/\">Seeking Special App Store Deals<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2020\/04\/06\/amazon-prime-video-now-allows-in-app-rentals-and-purchases\/\">Amazon Prime Video Now Allows In-App Rentals and Purchases<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n<p id=\"spotifys-google-play-store-deal-update-2023-12-19\">Update (2023-12-19): <a href=\"https:\/\/daringfireball.net\/linked\/2023\/12\/11\/google-spotify-secret-deal\">John Gruber<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/daringfireball.net\/linked\/2023\/12\/11\/google-spotify-secret-deal\">\n<p>Not only does Spotify on Android default to using its own in-app purchasing system&#x2009;&mdash;&#x2009;giving not a penny to Google in fees, apparently&#x2009;&mdash;&#x2009;but I couldn&rsquo;t even find a way to choose to pay using the Play Store system. Google has granted Spotify a complete exemption to any sort of payment fee, and Spotify simply uses its own in-app payment processing.<\/p>\n<p>On iOS, needless to say, Spotify has no such exemption. I just checked, and all Spotify does on iOS is list the features of each Premium account tier, with a message under each tier that reads &ldquo;You can&rsquo;t upgrade to Premium in the app. We know, it&rsquo;s not ideal.&rdquo; They don&rsquo;t even list the prices or tell you where to go to sign up.<\/p>\n<p>[&#8230;]<\/p>\n<p>It beggars belief that Spotify would pull its app from the Play Store. What makes more sense is that Google wanted to get Spotify&#x2009;&mdash;&#x2009;an EU-based company&#x2009;&mdash;&#x2009;off their backs as vocal critics of their app store policies, so they offered them this sweetheart deal to shut them up.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Adi Robertson and Sean Hollister (Hacker News): Music streaming service Spotify struck a seemingly unique and highly generous deal with Google for Android-based payments, according to new testimony in the Epic v. Google trial. On the stand, Google head of global partnerships Don Harrison confirmed Spotify paid a 0 percent commission when users chose to [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"apple_news_api_created_at":"2023-11-22T20:46:10Z","apple_news_api_id":"b5b36896-6962-478f-80fb-eb1faf10aca6","apple_news_api_modified_at":"2023-12-19T16:22:51Z","apple_news_api_revision":"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQ==","apple_news_api_share_url":"https:\/\/apple.news\/AtbNolmliR4-A--sfrxCspg","apple_news_coverimage":0,"apple_news_coverimage_caption":"","apple_news_is_hidden":false,"apple_news_is_paid":false,"apple_news_is_preview":false,"apple_news_is_sponsored":false,"apple_news_maturity_rating":"","apple_news_metadata":"\"\"","apple_news_pullquote":"","apple_news_pullquote_position":"","apple_news_slug":"","apple_news_sections":"\"\"","apple_news_suppress_video_url":false,"apple_news_use_image_component":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[248,249,2085,101,784,1257],"class_list":["post-41188","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-technology","tag-android","tag-androidapp","tag-antitrust","tag-business","tag-google-play-store","tag-spotify"],"apple_news_notices":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/41188","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=41188"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/41188\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":41499,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/41188\/revisions\/41499"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=41188"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=41188"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=41188"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}