{"id":36623,"date":"2022-07-28T16:37:18","date_gmt":"2022-07-28T20:37:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/?p=36623"},"modified":"2023-02-16T15:34:18","modified_gmt":"2023-02-16T20:34:18","slug":"ventura-notifies-user-of-new-login-items","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2022\/07\/28\/ventura-notifies-user-of-new-login-items\/","title":{"rendered":"Ventura Notifies User of New Login Items"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/tclementdev\/status\/1552583087636316161\">Thomas Clement<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/tclementdev\/status\/1552583087636316161\">\n<p>wow so now Apple is going to use my personal name in user notifications to tell users I&rsquo;m personally installing login items on their machine. I think there&rsquo;s a difference between the app (that users voluntarily install) doing things and me doing things. That&rsquo;s&#8230; very wrong.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>macOS seems to have gotten his name from the code signature on his app. The notification is a potentially useful feature, but it would be better if it reported the name of the app that added the login item. The user doesn&rsquo;t have a good way of finding the app that corresponds to the reported developer name. Also, showing the developer&rsquo;s name is especially confusing in the case of an indie developer, where it shows a personal name rather than the name of a company. The notification makes it look like a hacker named &ldquo;Thomas&rdquo; broke into your Mac.<\/p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/siegel\/status\/1552693212694937603\">Rich Siegel<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/siegel\/status\/1552693212694937603\">\n<p>This is really terrible UX, and if you see it while testing macOS 13 please report it as a bug.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p id=\"ventura-notifies-user-of-new-login-items-update-2022-10-17\">Update (2022-10-17): <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/krzyzanowskim\/status\/1581018841429118977\">Marcin Krzyzanowski<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/krzyzanowskim\/status\/1581018841429118977\">\n<p>security by obscurity or what. What&rsquo;s the point of that &#x1F914; it literally cannot be more generic information\nImage<\/p>\n<p>This is going to be <a href=\"https:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/MacOSBeta\/comments\/y3suuu\/confused_about_unidentified_developer_login_items\/\">so confusing<\/a> for users.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p id=\"ventura-notifies-user-of-new-login-items-update-2023-01-05\">Update (2023-01-05): <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/galooticus\/status\/1610387589340762112\">Adam Maxwell<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/galooticus\/status\/1610387589340762112\"><p>This has all been working fine since 2010, so obviously Apple needed to change something. Aside from the obvious notification bug, TeX Live Utility users have no idea who this &ldquo;Adam Maxwell&rdquo; guy is, and shouldn&rsquo;t have to learn.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/mastodon.social\/@birchtree\/109638693555065173\">Matt Birchler<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/mastodon.social\/@birchtree\/109638693555065173\">\n<p>OMG, months into Ventura and I still get notifications like this when I reboot. Literally no idea or explanation what this is.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p>Previously:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2022\/12\/27\/ventura-issues\/\">Ventura Issues<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n<p id=\"ventura-notifies-user-of-new-login-items-update-2023-02-03\">Update (2023-02-03): <a href=\"https:\/\/mastodon.social\/@film_girl\/109779968270505199\">Christina Warren<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/mastodon.social\/@film_girl\/109779968270505199\"><p>The never-ending &ldquo;Background Items Added&rdquo; pop-up for an item I already disabled or already know about is the most annoying part of Ventura after the new System Settings design.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2023\/02\/02\/macos-background-items-added-notification-bug\/\">Tim Hardwick<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2023\/02\/02\/macos-background-items-added-notification-bug\/\">\n<p>Numerous Mac users are repeatedly encountering a bug in macOS Ventura that throws up Login Items notifications for various background app processes every time they start up their machine, even when the processes in question have been disabled.<\/p>\n<p>[&#8230;]<\/p>\n<p>Scouring the complaints across <a href=\"https:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/MacOS\/comments\/zgex19\/does_anyone_know_how_to_get_rid_of_this\/\">Reddit<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/search?q=background%20items%20added%20ventura&amp;src=typed_query\">Twitter<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/discussions.apple.com\/thread\/254519306\">Apple Support Community discussions<\/a>, and various other <a href=\"https:\/\/www.dropboxforum.com\/t5\/Settings-and-Preferences\/How-do-I-end-quot-Background-items-Added-quot-Notification-and\/td-p\/647892\">app-specific forums<\/a>, app processes such as Google Updater, Adobe CC Helper, and Dropbox are repeatedly cited as culprits, but these only appear to be referenced more often because they are popular apps with background processes. Almost any third-party background process can seemingly be referenced in the persistent Login Items notifications.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p id=\"ventura-notifies-user-of-new-login-items-update-2023-02-14\">Update (2023-02-14): <a href=\"https:\/\/www.neofinder.de\/forum\/phpBB3\/viewtopic.php?t=66\">Norbert M. Doerner<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/www.neofinder.de\/forum\/phpBB3\/viewtopic.php?t=66\"><p>The new bug in macOS 13.2 can hopefully be fixed by using Apples Terminal.app and paste and run this command:<\/p><pre>sfltool resetbtm<\/pre><p>You may need to restart your Mac once to see this in effect.<\/p><p>Unfortunately, the <code>resetbtm<\/code> option for the <code>sfltool<\/code> command line tool is not documented by Apple, the man page does not list it.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n<p id=\"ventura-notifies-user-of-new-login-items-update-2023-02-16\">Update (2023-02-16): <a href=\"https:\/\/developer.apple.com\/documentation\/macos-release-notes\/macos-13_3-release-notes\">macOS 13.3 Beta<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/developer.apple.com\/documentation\/macos-release-notes\/macos-13_3-release-notes\"><p>Fixes an issue introduced in macOS Ventura 13.1 that caused the system to post excessive &ldquo;Background Items Added&rdquo; notifications after toggling items in System Settings &gt; General &gt; Login Items. Toggling items in macOS Ventura 13.2 doesn&rsquo;t cause excessive notifications, but that release doesn&rsquo;t automatically correct the issue inherited from macOS Ventura 13.1.<\/p><\/blockquote>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Thomas Clement: wow so now Apple is going to use my personal name in user notifications to tell users I&rsquo;m personally installing login items on their machine. I think there&rsquo;s a difference between the app (that users voluntarily install) doing things and me doing things. That&rsquo;s&#8230; very wrong. macOS seems to have gotten his name [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"apple_news_api_created_at":"2022-07-28T20:37:20Z","apple_news_api_id":"a860b82f-cefa-4ad7-9615-c455887213f3","apple_news_api_modified_at":"2023-02-16T20:34:22Z","apple_news_api_revision":"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABg==","apple_news_api_share_url":"https:\/\/apple.news\/AqGC4L876SteWFcRViHIT8w","apple_news_coverimage":0,"apple_news_coverimage_caption":"","apple_news_is_hidden":false,"apple_news_is_paid":false,"apple_news_is_preview":false,"apple_news_is_sponsored":false,"apple_news_maturity_rating":"","apple_news_metadata":"\"\"","apple_news_pullquote":"","apple_news_pullquote_position":"","apple_news_slug":"","apple_news_sections":"\"\"","apple_news_suppress_video_url":false,"apple_news_use_image_component":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[466,77,2296,30,2223,111],"class_list":["post-36623","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-technology","tag-codesigning","tag-design","tag-login-items","tag-mac","tag-macos-13-ventura","tag-notificationcenter"],"apple_news_notices":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/36623","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=36623"}],"version-history":[{"count":8,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/36623\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":38489,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/36623\/revisions\/38489"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=36623"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=36623"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=36623"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}