{"id":35849,"date":"2022-05-11T14:50:32","date_gmt":"2022-05-11T18:50:32","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/?p=35849"},"modified":"2022-05-19T16:36:58","modified_gmt":"2022-05-19T20:36:58","slug":"problems-with-promotion-oriented-cultures","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2022\/05\/11\/problems-with-promotion-oriented-cultures\/","title":{"rendered":"Problems With Promotion-Oriented Cultures"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.warp.dev\/blog\/problems-with-promotion-oriented-cultures\">Zach Lloyd<\/a> (via <a href=\"https:\/\/news.ycombinator.com\/item?id=31261488\">Hacker News<\/a>):<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/www.warp.dev\/blog\/problems-with-promotion-oriented-cultures\">\n<p>If you&rsquo;re an engineer at Google or Facebook, you&rsquo;re likely focused on one career question: when am I going to make it to the next level?<\/p>\n<p>Getting to the next level unlocks a lot &#x2013; more money, more responsibility, more respect, a feeling of progress &#x2013; and even if you care deeply about other things (your product, your users, etc), you can&rsquo;t really avoid caring about promotion as well.<\/p>\n<p>[&#8230;]<\/p>\n<p>The main problem with promotion-oriented culture is that it&rsquo;s very hard to align promotion-criteria with business objectives, and so engineers end up doing a lot of work that doesn&rsquo;t necessarily most benefit the product, users, or business &#x2013; or even potentially their own growth.<\/p>\n<p>[&#8230;]<\/p>\n<p>Our [Google Sheets] engineers cared about the product and wanted to polish it. But they also wanted to be promoted. And so we would deprioritize product polish for projects that looked better to a promotion committee.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/news.ycombinator.com\/item?id=31262428\">xoofoog<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/news.ycombinator.com\/item?id=31262428\"><p>But the root cause isn&rsquo;t that people want to get promoted. It&rsquo;s that Google promotes people for the wrong reasons. Put very simply, the problem is that Google promotes people for &ldquo;solving hard problems&rdquo; not for solving USEFUL problems.<\/p><p>Imagine if people did get promoted for fixing bugs instead of building a new product (to be abandoned)! Or if maintaining an existing system was somehow on par with building a new system (which is just a bigger more complicated version of something perfectly good). The googler would say &ldquo;well those useful problems are too easy to merit a promotion.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n<p>Previously:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2022\/03\/23\/incentives-in-product-design-and-development\/\">Incentives in Product Design and Development<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n<p id=\"problems-with-promotion-oriented-cultures-update-2022-05-19\">Update (2022-05-19): See also: <a href=\"https:\/\/news.ycombinator.com\/item?id=31419466\">Hacker News<\/a>.<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Zach Lloyd (via Hacker News): If you&rsquo;re an engineer at Google or Facebook, you&rsquo;re likely focused on one career question: when am I going to make it to the next level? Getting to the next level unlocks a lot &#x2013; more money, more responsibility, more respect, a feeling of progress &#x2013; and even if you [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"apple_news_api_created_at":"2022-05-11T18:50:43Z","apple_news_api_id":"f6af822b-caa6-4106-9fec-a998e6b5cb9f","apple_news_api_modified_at":"2022-05-19T20:37:17Z","apple_news_api_revision":"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQ==","apple_news_api_share_url":"https:\/\/apple.news\/A9q-CK8qmQQaf7KmY5rXLnw","apple_news_coverimage":0,"apple_news_coverimage_caption":"","apple_news_is_hidden":false,"apple_news_is_paid":false,"apple_news_is_preview":false,"apple_news_is_sponsored":false,"apple_news_maturity_rating":"","apple_news_metadata":"\"\"","apple_news_pullquote":"","apple_news_pullquote_position":"","apple_news_slug":"","apple_news_sections":"\"\"","apple_news_suppress_video_url":false,"apple_news_use_image_component":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[1143,131,51,805,2137,251],"class_list":["post-35849","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-technology","tag-apple-software-quality","tag-bug","tag-google","tag-google-sheets","tag-meta","tag-working"],"apple_news_notices":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/35849","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=35849"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/35849\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":35934,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/35849\/revisions\/35934"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=35849"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=35849"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=35849"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}