{"id":32444,"date":"2021-05-10T16:54:00","date_gmt":"2021-05-10T20:54:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/?p=32444"},"modified":"2021-10-15T15:15:27","modified_gmt":"2021-10-15T19:15:27","slug":"epic-v-apple-day-5","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2021\/05\/10\/epic-v-apple-day-5\/","title":{"rendered":"Epic v. Apple, Day 5"},"content":{"rendered":"

Adi Robertson<\/a> (tweet<\/a>, also: Nick Statt<\/a>, Elizabeth Lopatto<\/a>, Ian Sherr<\/a>):<\/p>\n

On the fifth day of court, however, Apple tried to turn Itch.io into a liability — by telling Epic Games Store general manager Steven Allison about “so-called adult games” that were “so offensive we cannot speak about them here.”<\/p>

Itch.io is one of relatively few non-game apps on the Epic Games Store, along with software like the Brave browser.<\/p>

[…]<\/p>

Apple essentially warned Judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers that [sideloading] would mean forcing Apple to indirectly allow a sexualized visual novel about incest […] onto the iPhone.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n

Of course, such content is already available on iPhone via Safari, and via third-party apps such as Web browsers, site-specific browsers, and e-book readers. Making it available via a third-party store would improve the user experience without changing what’s shown in Apple’s own store.<\/p>\n\n

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Judge Rogers seemed to take the concern seriously, asking Allison to explain whether Apple was correct. Allison demurred, although he later pushed back on Apple’s veiled suggestion that Epic kick Itch.io off the Epic Games Store. “Itch.io is an incredible community for developers that we support fully,” Allison said, “they have an open platform, and therefore have different moderation standards than the Epic Games Store.”<\/p>

[…]<\/p>

Some people were upset at Apple going after a platform that’s particularly favored by queer developers offering depictions of sexuality you won’t find in big-budget games.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n

Nathan Grayson<\/a> (via Hacker News<\/a>):<\/p>\n

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It began as part of a series of inquiries in which Apple’s lawyer was attempting to establish Epic’s quality control process (or lack thereof).<\/p>\n

[…]<\/p>\n

Allison replied by pointing out that itch.io is on Epic, but it is not, itself, the Epic Games Store. “Itch.io is an app store that is not the Epic Games Store. We are not included in itch’s distributing pitch,” Allison said. “Epic is only distributing the app store of itch.io.”<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n

Kenney<\/a>:<\/p>\n

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According to Apple unspeakable things happen at Itch.io. Like developers uploading any game they create, getting a fair share of revenue, consumers getting DRM-free content and even having an optional launcher...<\/p>\n

That must be truly a ghastly sight for Apple. 👻<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n

See also: Apple Sucked Tumblr Into Its Walled Garden, Where Sex Is Bad<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n

Nick Statt<\/a>:<\/p>\n

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Very critical line of questioning from the judge, about whether Apple’s lack of competition on iOS for app stores stifles innovation in in app review.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n

Adi Robertson<\/a>:<\/p>\n

Epic’s lawyer is back and redirecting to macOS — pointing out that people can directly download apps from outside Apple’s store there, but it’s still considered safe for kids etc.<\/p>

“I think there’s safety on Mac that’s superior” when downloading from App Store. “The threats that we see on iOS even within the App Store, I can’t say that a user outside the Mac App Store has a safe and trusted experience.”<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n

Elizabeth Lopatto<\/a>:<\/p>\n

Roblox is not a game, but Minecraft was, Kosmynka said yesterday. “I’m having a hard time with that.” Roblox looks like electronic Duplos, the judge says. “I’m trying to understand what the distinction you’re making is.”<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n

Ian Sherr<\/a>:<\/p>\n

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App Review is within developer relations. Apple has an internal mantra “let’s get them to yes!” To help apps get approved.<\/p>\n

“There’s a human being at the end of every rejection,” he says, so devs can call and work with Apple<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n

Steve Troughton-Smith<\/a>:<\/p>\n

Hands up how many developers have called and ‘worked with Apple’ to get an app through App Review? In the calls that I’ve had, it was a lot more one-sided, and finding out how to address\/fix a rejection at that level is like trying to get blood from a stone<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n

Previously:<\/p>\n