{"id":30059,"date":"2020-09-09T17:00:21","date_gmt":"2020-09-09T21:00:21","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/?p=30059"},"modified":"2025-04-08T10:11:06","modified_gmt":"2025-04-08T14:11:06","slug":"epic-barred-from-sign-in-with-apple","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2020\/09\/09\/epic-barred-from-sign-in-with-apple\/","title":{"rendered":"Epic Barred From “Sign in With Apple”"},"content":{"rendered":"

Epic<\/a> (tweet<\/a>, Hacker News<\/a>, MacRumors<\/a>):<\/p>\n

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Apple will no longer allow users to sign into Epic Games accounts using “Sign In with Apple” as soon as September 11, 2020. If you have previously used “Sign In with Apple”, please update your Epic Games account email address and password immediately so that you can still login after September 11, 2020.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n

Apple doesn’t retaliate<\/a>, but it considers it more important to hurt Epic (and make an example of it) than to help its own customers who placed their trust in its service. As a user, I would rather rely on a password manager<\/a> than a login provider. As a developer, it’s a harder choice because many users like universal logins. Apple doesn’t let you support other third-party login providers without also supporting Sign In with Apple.<\/p>\n\n

Riley Testut<\/a>:<\/p>\n

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Lesson: Don’t use “Sign In with Apple” unless you want Apple to be able to remotely kill all your user accounts…<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n

Nathan Lawrence<\/a>:<\/p>\n

If you’re Epic, it stinks, but you know it’s coming — you can scarcely retain API keys without a dev account — and can prepare. Not so if you’re an indie accidentally flagged for abuse by one of the large companies in control of these sign-on systems. You just lose customer data.<\/p>

The entire point of open authentication standards once was that auth could be democratized and open, and you could choose an identity provider that worked for you and fit your personal standards — even your own server.<\/p>

Now, it centers even more power on large companies instead.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n

Tanner Bennett<\/a>:<\/p>\n

Apple is really shooting themselves in the foot here, just to spite someone…<\/p>

They’re NEVER going to fully recover from this battle, not in the next 20 years at least. Their new reputation for being a petty, spiteful bully is basically set in stone at this point.<\/p>

Not to mention all the developer trust they’re eroding with this. They now also have a reputation for offering services that can be revoked at any time (not to mention having the ability to remove your app at any time and make you go bankrupt…), which is not appealing.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n

Previously:<\/p>\n