{"id":29748,"date":"2020-08-11T16:04:06","date_gmt":"2020-08-11T20:04:06","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/?p=29748"},"modified":"2021-01-06T16:24:53","modified_gmt":"2021-01-06T21:24:53","slug":"mozilla-layoffs","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2020\/08\/11\/mozilla-layoffs\/","title":{"rendered":"Mozilla Layoffs"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/techcrunch.com\/2020\/01\/15\/mozilla-lays-off-70-as-it-waits-for-subscription-products-to-generate-revenue\/\">Frederic Lardinois<\/a>, in January (via <a href=\"https:\/\/news.ycombinator.com\/item?id=22057737\">Hacker News<\/a>):<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/techcrunch.com\/2020\/01\/15\/mozilla-lays-off-70-as-it-waits-for-subscription-products-to-generate-revenue\/\"><p>Mozilla  laid off about 70 employees today, TechCrunch has learned.<\/p>\n<p>In an internal memo, Mozilla chairwoman and interim CEO Mitchell Baker specifically mentions the slow rollout of the organization&rsquo;s new revenue-generating products as the reason for why it needed to take this action. The overall number may still be higher, though, as Mozilla is still looking into how this decision will affect workers in the U.K. and France. In 2018, Mozilla Corporation (as opposed to the much smaller Mozilla Foundation) said it had about 1,000 employees worldwide.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/blog\/2020\/08\/11\/changing-world-changing-mozilla\/\">Mitchell Baker<\/a> (via <a href=\"https:\/\/news.ycombinator.com\/item?id=24120336\">Hacker<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/news.ycombinator.com\/item?id=24122790\">News<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/news.ycombinator.com\/item?id=24121166\">3<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/2020\/8\/11\/21363424\/mozilla-layoffs-quarter-staff-250-people-new-revenue-focus\">Jacob Kastrenakes<\/a>):<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/blog\/2020\/08\/11\/changing-world-changing-mozilla\/\"><p>Today we announced a significant restructuring of Mozilla Corporation. This will strengthen our ability to build and invest in products and services that will give people alternatives to conventional Big Tech. Sadly, the changes also include a significant reduction in our workforce by approximately 250 people.<\/p>\n<p>[&#8230;]<\/p>\n<p>To start, that means products that mitigate harms or address the kinds of the problems that people face today. Over the longer run, our goal is to build new experiences that people love and want, that have better values and better characteristics inside those products.<\/p>\n<p>[&#8230;]<\/p>\n<p>Recognizing that the old model where everything was free has consequences, means we must explore a range of different business opportunities and alternate value exchanges. How can we lead towards business models that honor and protect people while creating opportunities for our business to thrive? How can we, or others who want a better internet, or those who feel like a different balance should exist between social and public benefit and private profit offer an alternative? We need to identify those people and join them. We must learn and expand different ways to support ourselves and build a business that isn&rsquo;t what we see today.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n<p>This is all rather vague, but it sounds like they want to diversify away from Firefox and have <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/SimonSapin\/status\/1293231187167784960\">laid off<\/a> most of the Servo team. What could be more important to the mission than maintaining an independent browser engine? On the other hand, Firefox is expensive to develop, and it&rsquo;s not clear how to replace the funding that had been provided by its primary competitor.<\/p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.zdnet.com\/article\/mozilla-lays-off-250-employees-while-it-refocuses-on-commercial-products\/\">Catalin Cimpanu<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/www.zdnet.com\/article\/mozilla-lays-off-250-employees-while-it-refocuses-on-commercial-products\/\"><p>Mozilla&rsquo;s contract with Google to include Google as the default search provider inside Firefox is set to expire later this year, and the contract has not been renewed. The Google deal has historically accounted for around 90% of all of Mozilla&rsquo;s revenue, and without it experts see <a href=\"https:\/\/medium.com\/swlh\/could-google-crush-firefox-in-2020-13a55b5d4526\">a dim future for Mozilla past 2021<\/a>.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/othermaciej\/status\/1293252487021916161\">Maciej Stachowiak<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/othermaciej\/status\/1293252487021916161\"><p>For Mozilla folks looking for a landing spot, Safari and WebKit teams have a number of openings.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n<p>Previously:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2013\/04\/03\/servo\/\">Servo<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n<p id=\"mozilla-layoffs-update-2020-08-12\">Update (2020-08-12): <a href=\"https:\/\/news.ycombinator.com\/item?id=24126204\">ploxiln<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/news.ycombinator.com\/item?id=24126204\">\n<p>It was making 100s of millions of dollars per year from the default search provider deal, for over a decade. It could have saved most of that money, spending it only on 50 to 100 browser engineers. Branching out to MDN and websocket or webrtc libraries would also make sense. But the rest of the crap, the marketing, the rebranding, the Pocket purchase and integration, Firefox OS, the voice recognition and AI stuff (and notice the announcement, they&rsquo;re keeping the AI division, really need that part apparently), stuff that nobody remembers, that&rsquo;s all a waste of money that could be saved by the non-profit foundation to just support the low-level engine keeping the open web viable.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/zkat__\/status\/1293585676336693253\">Kat March&aacute;n<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/zkat__\/status\/1293585676336693253\">\n<p>So to summarize what we know so far, the following teams at Mozilla have been either eliminated or gutted to oblivion[&#8230;]<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p id=\"mozilla-layoffs-update-2020-08-17\">Update (2020-08-17): <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/TedMielczarek\/status\/1293581030947946497\">Ted Mielczarek<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/TedMielczarek\/status\/1293581030947946497\"><p>I&rsquo;m convinced that the biggest problem Mozilla had was that the business model we stumbled into (ad revenue sharing from search providers) gave us a firehose of money that was mostly disconnected from our execution no matter how you measure things.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/TedMielczarek\/status\/1294116782555435008\">Ted Mielczarek<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/TedMielczarek\/status\/1294116782555435008\"><p>Google actually hired some Netscape folks and paid them to work on Firefox. (And then turned around and had them build Chrome, naturally.)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/daringfireball.net\/linked\/2020\/08\/11\/mozilla-layoffs\">John Gruber<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/daringfireball.net\/linked\/2020\/08\/11\/mozilla-layoffs\">\n<p>It is a very good thing for the world and the web that a truly independent browser exists from a privacy-minded company, but there&rsquo;s not much of a business model for it unless it&rsquo;s popular enough to get the dominant search engine to pay for placement.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/pxlnv.com\/linklog\/mozilla-layoffs\/\">Nick Heer<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/pxlnv.com\/linklog\/mozilla-layoffs\/\">\n<p>It has been a long time since I was a Firefox user, but I cannot imagine building stuff for the web without MDN. I feel terrible for the hundreds of people laid off, for the impact their absence will have, and for the general downfall of Mozilla as Google has <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Pinboard\/status\/1293623586071044096\">become a de facto web authority<\/a>.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ilovemdn.org\">Thank You MDN<\/a> (via <a href=\"https:\/\/news.ycombinator.com\/item?id=24136895\">Hacker<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/news.ycombinator.com\/item?id=24159244\">News<\/a>):<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/www.ilovemdn.org\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/developer.mozilla.org\">MDN Web Docs<\/a> is the life blood, the home, the source of truth for millions of web developers everyday. It empowers individuals and teams to build amazing services and products, to learn, to create their own opportunities, and to express themselves on the open web. As a community of developers we have access to all of this information for free &#x2665;&#xFE0F;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/mozillalifeboat.com\">Mozilla Lifeboat<\/a> (via <a href=\"https:\/\/news.ycombinator.com\/item?id=24135032\">Hacker News<\/a>):<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/mozillalifeboat.com\"><p>Mozillians are everywhere! It doesn&rsquo;t matter if you&rsquo;re a former employee, contributor or simply a fan &mdash; if you&rsquo;re looking for a new home, start with this list of Mozillians actively hiring kind, passionate, awesome humans.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/ID_AA_Carmack\/status\/1293227109738061826\">John Carmack<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/ID_AA_Carmack\/status\/1293227109738061826\">\n<p>Just last night I was thinking about how it was possible that, given the relative trends, Mozilla&rsquo;s greater legacy might turn out to be Rust, not Firefox.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/mike_conley\/status\/1293670486417854464\">Mike Conley<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/mike_conley\/status\/1293670486417854464\">\n<p>Super talented Mozillians looking for work! Here&rsquo;s the official talent directory! Get it while it&rsquo;s hot.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p id=\"mozilla-layoffs-update-2021-01-06\">Update (2021-01-06): <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bleepingcomputer.com\/news\/microsoft\/microsoft-edge-is-now-2nd-most-popular-desktop-browser-beats-firefox\/\">Lawrence Abrams<\/a> (via <a href=\"https:\/\/news.ycombinator.com\/item?id=22793527\">Hacker News<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/news.softpedia.com\/news\/history-in-the-making-microsoft-edge-overtakes-mozilla-firefox-529640.shtml\">Bogdan Popa<\/a>):<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/www.bleepingcomputer.com\/news\/microsoft\/microsoft-edge-is-now-2nd-most-popular-desktop-browser-beats-firefox\/\">\n<p>The Microsoft Edge browser is now being used by more people than Mozilla Firefox making it the 2nd most popular desktop browser.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/calpaterson.com\/mozilla.html\">Cal Paterson<\/a> (via <a href=\"https:\/\/news.slashdot.org\/story\/20\/09\/23\/1528219\/firefox-usage-is-down-85-despite-mozillas-top-exec-pay-going-up-400\">Slashdot<\/a>):<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"http:\/\/calpaterson.com\/mozilla.html\">\n<p>The real problem is not the royalty cuts, though. Mozilla has already received more than enough money to set themselves up for financial independence. Mozilla received up to half a billion dollars a year (each year!) for many years. The <em>real problem<\/em> is that Mozilla didn't use that money to achieve financial independence and instead just spent it each year, doing the organisational equivalent of living hand-to-mouth.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ianbicking.org\/blog\/2020\/11\/firefox-was-always-enough.html\">Ian Bicking<\/a> (<a href=\"https:\/\/news.ycombinator.com\/item?id=25443152\">Hacker News<\/a>):<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/www.ianbicking.org\/blog\/2020\/11\/firefox-was-always-enough.html\"><p>There are many concerns about Mozilla right now, and reason to be concerned. While I am no longer with Mozilla, it&rsquo;s still a place that supported me for many years; I believe in Mozilla and want the project to succeed.<\/p>\n<p>[&#8230;]<\/p>\n<p>The answer is clear to me: if Mozilla wants to improve its financial position, then it needs to increase the number of Firefox users. That&rsquo;s always been the right focus, and it&rsquo;s still the right focus.<\/p>\n<p>[&#8230;]<\/p>\n<p>At some point I took to asking people in Mozilla: what is the purpose of Firefox? This was during Firefox 3 days when optimism for the product was low.<\/p>\n<p>[&#8230;]<\/p>\n<p>And I did get all those answers, but also one I didn&rsquo;t expect: Firefox exists just to give Mozilla a seat at the table when the web is defined.<\/p>\n<p>[&#8230;]<\/p>\n<p>Mozilla was never going to be happy building a great browser that its users loved.<\/p><\/blockquote>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Frederic Lardinois, in January (via Hacker News): Mozilla laid off about 70 employees today, TechCrunch has learned. In an internal memo, Mozilla chairwoman and interim CEO Mitchell Baker specifically mentions the slow rollout of the organization&rsquo;s new revenue-generating products as the reason for why it needed to take this action. 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