{"id":29571,"date":"2020-07-27T15:44:22","date_gmt":"2020-07-27T19:44:22","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/?p=29571"},"modified":"2024-09-30T09:50:00","modified_gmt":"2024-09-30T13:50:00","slug":"usb-c-is-still-a-mess","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2020\/07\/27\/usb-c-is-still-a-mess\/","title":{"rendered":"USB-C Is Still a Mess"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.androidauthority.com\/state-of-usb-c-870996\/\">Robert Triggs<\/a> (via <a href=\"https:\/\/news.ycombinator.com\/item?id=23435805\">Hacker News<\/a>):<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/www.androidauthority.com\/state-of-usb-c-870996\/\"><p>Moving phones between different chargers, even of the same current and voltage ratings, often won&rsquo;t produce the same charging speeds. Furthermore, picking a third party USB-C cable to replace the often all too short in-box cable can result in losing fast charging capabilities. As can opting for a third-party USB-C power adapter that supports <a href=\"https:\/\/www.androidauthority.com\/quick-charge-3-0-explained-643053\/\">Qualcomm&rsquo;s Quick Charge<\/a> or <a href=\"https:\/\/www.androidauthority.com\/usb-power-delivery-806266\/\">USB Power Delivery<\/a> rather than one of the numerous proprietary standards.<\/p><p>[&#8230;]<\/p><p>The USB data naming scheme is undoubtedly a mess. This table below will hopefully help to sort out what each specification offers you.<\/p><p>[&#8230;]<\/p><p>Unfortunately, the USB-C ecosystem is more, not less convoluted in 2020 than it was when I first looked at this issue back in 2018. The announcement of USB 3.2 and USB 4 makes the standard more complex without giving the end-user clear information about what&rsquo;s supported. While the growth in USB Power Delivery support is a good sign, the introduction of PPS has already hampered any hopes that the industry might soon coalesce around a single charging standard.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n<p>My pet peeve has long been that no matter how many newer devices you have with USB-C, you still end up with a mess of cables and adapters because the hubs are still USB-A. Each device needs a different cable depending on whether you&rsquo;re plugging into your hub or your laptop.<\/p>\n\n<p>Reader Robert Horrion has finally found a somewhat reasonably priced hub that actually increases the number of USB-C ports, the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.sitecom.com\/en\/usb-c-hub-4-port\/cn-386\/p\/1881\">Sitecom CN-386<\/a>. For <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Sitecom-CN-386-USB-C-Female-Delivery\/dp\/B07YN56F9T\">$53 plus $11<\/a> shipping (Amazon ships it from the UK.) you can turn 1 USB-C port into 3 and add power delivery.<\/p>\n\n<p>Unfortunately, the reviews aren&rsquo;t great&mdash;3\/5 stars in both the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Sitecom-CN-386-USB-C-Female-Delivery\/dp\/B07YN56F9T\/#customerReviews\">US<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.de\/Sitecom-CN-386-Stecker-Buchse-Delivery\/dp\/B07YN56F9T#customerReviews\">German<\/a> stores, with purchasers complaining of glitches with Mojave and Catalina.<\/p>\n\n<p>Previously:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2019\/07\/16\/how-many-kinds-of-usb-c-to-usb-c-cables-are-there\/\">How Many Kinds of USB-C to USB-C Cables Are There?<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2019\/01\/09\/elgato-thunderbolt-3-pro-dock\/\">Elgato Thunderbolt 3 Pro Dock<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2017\/11\/15\/the-best-laptop-ever-made\/\">The Best Laptop Ever Made<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2017\/10\/14\/the-impossible-dream-of-usb-c\/\">The Impossible Dream of USB-C<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2017\/10\/26\/three-macbook-mistakes-will-apple-correct-course\/\">Three MacBook Mistakes: Will Apple Correct Course?<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2015\/08\/15\/the-developers-macbook\/\">The Developer&rsquo;s MacBook<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n<p id=\"usb-c-is-still-a-mess-update-2020-07-29\">Update (2020-07-29): <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/coachmike66\/status\/1287915107930869760\">coachmike66<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/coachmike66\/status\/1287915107930869760\">\n<p>To accentuate the mess: the USB-C cable that Apple includes with your fancy new $3000+ MacBook Pro. Think you&rsquo;re gonna use that with Migration Asst. (which prompts you during setup)&#8230;?<\/p>\n<p>NOPE!\nThat USB-C cable is USB2, and thus incapable of MA (which Apple obfuscates very well).<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p id=\"usb-c-is-still-a-mess-update-2021-07-16\">Update (2021-07-16): <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/waltmossberg\/status\/1415807844188884992\">Walt Mossberg<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/waltmossberg\/status\/1415807844188884992\">\n<p>Why can&rsquo;t they color-code USB C ports and cables so you always know which cable do only data transfer but not power. Or both. And which support Thunderbolt?<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/reckless\/status\/1415847378884735007\">Nilay Patel<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/reckless\/status\/1415847378884735007\"><p>Full circle!<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n<p id=\"usb-c-is-still-a-mess-update-2024-09-30\">Update (2024-09-30): <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/emollick\/status\/1839801483639869477\">Ethan Mollick<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/x.com\/emollick\/status\/1839801483639869477\">\n<p>It is amazing how the industry came together to invent a universal USB-C connector and then decided to instead make it all a giant mess.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Robert Triggs (via Hacker News): Moving phones between different chargers, even of the same current and voltage ratings, often won&rsquo;t produce the same charging speeds. Furthermore, picking a third party USB-C cable to replace the often all too short in-box cable can result in losing fast charging capabilities. 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