{"id":26481,"date":"2019-09-05T16:35:56","date_gmt":"2019-09-05T20:35:56","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/?p=26481"},"modified":"2021-10-28T16:32:32","modified_gmt":"2021-10-28T20:32:32","slug":"search-ads-for-competing-products","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2019\/09\/05\/search-ads-for-competing-products\/","title":{"rendered":"Search Ads for Competing Products"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/jasonfried\/status\/1168986962704982016\">Jason Fried<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/jasonfried\/status\/1168986962704982016\">\n<p>When Google puts 4 paid ads ahead of the first organic result for your own brand name, you&rsquo;re forced to pay up if you want to be found. It&rsquo;s a shakedown. It&rsquo;s ransom.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/tobi\/status\/1168989473557950465\">Tobi L&uuml;tke<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/tobi\/status\/1168989473557950465\">\n<p>It&rsquo;s totally crazy for google to get away with charging what&rsquo;s basically protection money on your own brand name. &ldquo;Nice high intend traffic you got there, would be a shame if something were to happen to it&rdquo;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/daringfireball.net\/linked\/2019\/09\/03\/basecamp-didnt-want-to-run-this-ad\">John Gruber<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/daringfireball.net\/linked\/2019\/09\/03\/basecamp-didnt-want-to-run-this-ad\">\n<p>And of course, Google doesn&rsquo;t let you target any of their own trademarks this way, and won&rsquo;t even let you mention &ldquo;Google&rdquo; in your ad text. And Google no longer visually styles paid results distinctively from actual search results&#x2009;&mdash;&#x2009;just the little &ldquo;Ad&rdquo; icon before the result URL.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p>I think it&rsquo;s useful to be able to find out about related products through ads. What feels wrong is that the ads <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/paulredmond\/status\/1168997365522534408\">don&rsquo;t really look like ads<\/a>. It looks like a list of results where the organic one, which is almost certainly what the person wants, is never at the top. So, (a) you have to pay to be where you should have been anyway, and (b) some customers will click the first result and end up somewhere unexpected.<\/p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/DigitalLawyer\/status\/1168989922046427139\">Pieter Gunst<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/DigitalLawyer\/status\/1168989922046427139\">\n<p>Lots of misleading ads also...<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/jsnell\/status\/1169261363157319682\">Jason Snell<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/jsnell\/status\/1169261363157319682\">\n<p>See also App Store ads<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/monkeydom\/status\/1169130409432625152\">Dominik Wagner<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/monkeydom\/status\/1169130409432625152\">\n<p>E.g. search for Things, then the first and full scale entry is a competitor that paid.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/tapbot_paul\/status\/1169260806816636928\">Paul Haddad<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/tapbot_paul\/status\/1169260806816636928\">\n<p>Apple sure is better than Google.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p>At least Apple uses a different color for the ad.<\/p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/suzhi\/status\/1169133010324742146\">Sascha Rucks<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/suzhi\/status\/1169133010324742146\">\n<p>We even got a call from an Apple sales rep who made clear that we need to bid on our own keywords\/brand name to make sure that we are at first place and not one of our competitors&#8230;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p>For once, maybe it&rsquo;s good that the Mac App Store doesn&rsquo;t have feature parity.<\/p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.modernretail.co\/platforms\/retailers-are-rethinking-their-google-search-strategies\/\">Cale Guthrie Weissman<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/www.modernretail.co\/platforms\/retailers-are-rethinking-their-google-search-strategies\/\">\n<p>Data from Jumpshot says that more than 50% of Google searches in June didn&rsquo;t result in a click. The results show that organic search clicks are going down even as paid Google search clicks are going up, as are searches to result in no clicks whatsoever. For brands, businesses and marketers who rely on organic Google search results to drive commerce, this means recalibrating how they think of Google in their plans.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/dhh\/status\/1168673616248000513\">David Heinemeier Hansson<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/dhh\/status\/1168673616248000513\">\n<p>Google is slowly but surely choking the web. This is what monopoly power inevitably leads to. The noblest of founding intentions is no match for the imperative.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2019\/07\/23\/apple-apps-dominate-app-store-search\/\">Juli Clover<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2019\/07\/23\/apple-apps-dominate-app-store-search\/\"><p>For basic searches like &ldquo;maps,&rdquo; Apple&rsquo;s apps ranked first more than 60 percent of the time in the WSJ&rsquo;s testing. Apps that generate revenue like Music or Books showed up first in 95 percent of related searches.<\/p><p>[&#8230;]<\/p><p>Apple says that it uses an algorithm that uses machine learning and past consumer preferences, leading to app rankings that often fluctuate. Apple suggested that its apps ranked first in the WSJ&rsquo;s testing because those apps are popular with consumers. Apple says that all apps are subjected to the same search algorithm, including its own.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n<p>Previously:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2017\/04\/12\/googles-search-quality-crisis\/\">Google&rsquo;s Search Quality Crisis<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2016\/10\/06\/experimenting-with-app-store-search-ads\/\">Experimenting With App Store Search Ads<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2016\/06\/16\/early-app-store-search-ads-fail\/\">Early App Store Search Ads Fail<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2016\/05\/05\/app-store-search-is-currently-broken\/\">App Store Search Is Currently Broken<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2016\/04\/15\/paid-app-store-search\/\">Paid App Store Search<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2015\/06\/18\/app-store-search-is-still-depressing\/\">App Store Search Is Still Depressing<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2014\/12\/15\/how-broken-is-discovery-on-the-app-store\/\">How Broken is Discovery on the App Store?<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n<p id=\"search-ads-for-competing-products-update-2019-09-06\">Update (2019-09-06): <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Freerunnering\/status\/1169757164245835777\">Kyle Howells<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Freerunnering\/status\/1169757164245835777\">\n<p>It&rsquo;s shameful how Google has regressed from clearly showing ads, to gradually trying to hide them and trick people into thinking they are the search results.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p id=\"search-ads-for-competing-products-update-2019-11-27\">Update (2019-11-27): <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/dhh\/status\/1194383825339437056\">David Heinemeier Hansson<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/dhh\/status\/1194383825339437056\">\n<p>This is frustrating. We&rsquo;d so much rather spend our money providing Basecamp for free for personal use than pay the Google tax to defend against predatory, VC-boosted ads squatting on our brand. *sigh*<\/p>\n<p>Especially from company that&rsquo;s on that growth-uber-alles path with no need to turn a profit. I mean when you&rsquo;ve raised over $200,000,000, you&rsquo;re not exactly bound by the same laws of business as the rest of us.<\/p>\n<p>And Google of course does nothing. We filed for trademark protection three months ago, which they granted (so ads can&rsquo;t use our TM in their ad text), but they simply refuse to enforce their own policy. Of course. Because they make more money doing nothing!<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/brentsimmons\/status\/1194460568146415616\">Brent Simmons<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/brentsimmons\/status\/1194460568146415616\">\n<p>They do the same thing to OmniFocus &mdash;&nbsp;and they don&rsquo;t even get the capitalization right. I don&rsquo;t expect better from them, but I&rsquo;d like better from Google.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/wilshipley\/status\/1197642397854777344\">Wil Shipley<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/wilshipley\/status\/1197642397854777344\">\n<p>I continue to be impressed with how incredibly useful and user-friendly ads in the App Store are. Such a good idea!<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p id=\"search-ads-for-competing-products-update-2019-12-20\">Update (2019-12-20): <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/marcoarment\/status\/1202269297424375808\">Marco Arment<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/marcoarment\/status\/1202269297424375808\">\n<p>App Store search results for &ldquo;podcast&rdquo;:<\/p>\n<p>[Ad] Podbean Podcast App<br \/>\nYour podcast app for iPhone<br \/>\n<br \/>\nApple Podcasts<br \/>\n<br \/>\nThe Podcast App<br \/>\nPodcast App for iPhone<br \/>\n<br \/>\nThe Podcast App Premium<br \/>\nfor The Podcast App<br \/>\n<br \/>\nOvercast<br \/>\nAward-winning podcast player<br \/>\n<br \/>\nThe Podcast Player<br \/>\nPodcast app by Castbox<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p id=\"search-ads-for-competing-products-update-2021-05-06\">Update (2021-05-06): <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/tomwarren\/status\/1390344929122062336\">Tom Warren<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/tomwarren\/status\/1390344929122062336\">\n<p>Tim Sweeney getting angry at Apple in 2018 over Fortnite not being the number 1 result in the App Store. All because Microsoft, PUBG, and others kept buying ads in the App Store for search results<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Both Apple and Google apps appeared at the top of the list when searching for &ldquo;Dropbox&rdquo;, and the Dropbox app wasn&rsquo;t even on the first page.<\/p>\n\n<p id=\"search-ads-for-competing-products-update-2021-10-28\">Update (2021-10-28): <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/sdw\/status\/1453379662776725507\">Sebastiaan de With<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/sdw\/status\/1453379662776725507\">\n<p>Here&rsquo;s me searching <em>for the name of my app<\/em>. Lightroom is the top result and almost all of my screen.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Jason Fried: When Google puts 4 paid ads ahead of the first organic result for your own brand name, you&rsquo;re forced to pay up if you want to be found. It&rsquo;s a shakedown. It&rsquo;s ransom. Tobi L&uuml;tke: It&rsquo;s totally crazy for google to get away with charging what&rsquo;s basically protection money on your own brand [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"apple_news_api_created_at":"2019-09-05T20:36:00Z","apple_news_api_id":"e0bb3e22-7fb8-4832-86b0-6ba1ba3e4662","apple_news_api_modified_at":"2021-10-28T20:32:37Z","apple_news_api_revision":"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABQ==","apple_news_api_share_url":"https:\/\/apple.news\/A4Ls-In-4SDKGsGuhuj5GYg","apple_news_coverimage":0,"apple_news_coverimage_caption":"","apple_news_is_hidden":false,"apple_news_is_paid":false,"apple_news_is_preview":false,"apple_news_is_sponsored":false,"apple_news_maturity_rating":"","apple_news_metadata":"\"\"","apple_news_pullquote":"","apple_news_pullquote_position":"","apple_news_slug":"","apple_news_sections":"\"\"","apple_news_suppress_video_url":false,"apple_news_use_image_component":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[354,91,1622,333,101,1768,51,31,1610,39,343,96],"class_list":["post-26481","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-technology","tag-advertising","tag-appstore","tag-app-store-search-ads","tag-basecamp","tag-business","tag-fortnite","tag-google","tag-ios","tag-ios-12","tag-macappstore","tag-search","tag-web"],"apple_news_notices":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/26481","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=26481"}],"version-history":[{"count":8,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/26481\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":34047,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/26481\/revisions\/34047"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=26481"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=26481"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=26481"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}