{"id":25479,"date":"2019-06-03T16:14:19","date_gmt":"2019-06-03T20:14:19","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/?p=25479"},"modified":"2020-04-24T09:47:50","modified_gmt":"2020-04-24T13:47:50","slug":"mac-pro-2019","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2019\/06\/03\/mac-pro-2019\/","title":{"rendered":"Mac Pro 2019"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.apple.com\/mac-pro\/\">Apple<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/www.apple.com\/mac-pro\/\">\n<p>Power to change everything. Say hello to a Mac that is extreme in every way. With the greatest performance, expansion, and configurability yet, it is a system created to let a wide range of professionals push the limits of what is&nbsp;possible.<\/p>\n<p>Function defines form. Every aspect of Mac Pro is designed in pursuit of performance. Built around a stainless steel space frame, an aluminum housing lifts off, allowing 360-degree access to every component and vast configuration. From there anything is possible.\n<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p>I thought Apple wouldn&rsquo;t listen and would find a way to screw this up. But it looks really great. Besides the core features like lots of processor cores and PCI slots, there are so many nice touches, from a couple USB-A ports to the rounded handles and the rotating, height-adjustable stand for the 6K <em>matte<\/em> display.<\/p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2019\/06\/03\/apple-previews-all-new-mac-pro-with-up-to-28-core-processor\/\">Joe Rossignol<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2019\/06\/03\/apple-previews-all-new-mac-pro-with-up-to-28-core-processor\/\">\n<p>The new Mac Pro will start at $5,999 with an eight-core Intel Xeon processor, 32GB of ECC RAM, AMD WX 7100 graphics, and 256GB of SSD storage.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p>However, it&rsquo;s way <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/drdrang\/status\/1135617412051677184\">more<\/a> machine&mdash;and price&mdash;than <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/siegel\/status\/1135615177712443395\">developers<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/siegel\/status\/1135622380968173568\">need<\/a>. (And only 256 GB of storage for the $6K base model&mdash;when the base iMac Pro has 1 TB?) Similarly, the Pro Display XDR looks amazing, but I would like to have a more <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/agilethumbs\/status\/1135619167581745158\">affordable<\/a> 5K one to put next to my iMac.<\/p>\n\n<p>I&rsquo;m also not exactly sure what the situation is for internal storage. It looks like there are two slots, but I don&rsquo;t know whether they are proprietary or can be upgraded after purchase.<\/p>\n\n<p>Previously:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2018\/04\/05\/new-mac-pro-wont-arrive-until-2019\/\">New Mac Pro Won&rsquo;t Arrive Until 2019<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2017\/04\/11\/what-i-want-in-the-new-mac-pro\/\">What I Want in the New Mac Pro<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/2017\/04\/04\/the-mac-pro-lives\/\">The Mac Pro Lives<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n<p>Update (2019-06-03): <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/DrunkenDogcow\/status\/1135645545299632134\">Drunken Dogcow<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/DrunkenDogcow\/status\/1135645545299632134\">\n<p>The PowerMac G5 base price was $1,999 (or around $2,700 adjusted for inflation). $6,000 is incredibly insane.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p id=\"mac-pro-2019-update-2019-06-04\">Update (2019-06-04): <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/roryprior\/status\/1135634368440012801\">Rory Prior<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/roryprior\/status\/1135634368440012801\">\n<p>Of course on the PC side you can buy a workstation for dramatically less money to suit your budget. With Apple you&rsquo;re either all in or you&rsquo;re stuck with either a &lsquo;throw away&rsquo; iMac Pro at the high end or pay through the nose for a weakly specced mini.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/tjw\/status\/1135643096828370945\">Timothy Wood<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/tjw\/status\/1135643096828370945\">\n<p>I love the annual Apple hate day. Today&rsquo;s favorite is the complaining about the $1000 discount you get if you go with the VESA mount option and get your own damn monitor stand for your deep color super bright 6K display that&rsquo;ll last you 15+ years (my current Apple display is 17!)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/jackbrewster\/status\/1135644316330627072\">Jack Brewster<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/jackbrewster\/status\/1135644316330627072\"><p>Saw a comment about &ldquo;don&rsquo;t complain about Mac Pro pricing Apple didn&rsquo;t build it for you&rdquo; which feels like the wrong take.<\/p><p>It <em>could have<\/em> been for me, too. But Apple chose not to make it that way. It&rsquo;s a flexible, tower computer. It could have been many things to many customers.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/sanguish\/status\/1135645643022721030\">Scott Anguish<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/sanguish\/status\/1135645643022721030\">\n<p>Apple could have released a monitor targeted to 10x more users that matched the iMac\/iMac Pro 27&rdquo; and 5k and we&rsquo;d have been ecstatic.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/owensd\/status\/1135645250360205312\">David Owens II<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/owensd\/status\/1135645250360205312\">\n<p>The blower-style exhaust fan looks pretty cool... I wonder how dust is handled though. I didn&rsquo;t see any dust filters.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/talk.tidbits.com\/t\/new-mac-pro-and-pro-display-xdr-offer-power-for-a-high-price\/8916\">paulc<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/talk.tidbits.com\/t\/new-mac-pro-and-pro-display-xdr-offer-power-for-a-high-price\/8916\">\n<p>There sure is a LOT to say\/question about this new machine, but my central one is how in the blazes can they call this a REAL pro machine if it&rsquo;s not capable of running CUDA? Far as I know, CUDA is a very essential part of a LOT of actual professionals&#8230;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/markgurman\/status\/1135639906066325504\">Mark Gurman<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/markgurman\/status\/1135639906066325504\">\n<p>I need help deciding between an iPhone XS and the stand that&rsquo;s required to hold up the new $5000 Apple monitor.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/gregtitus\/status\/1135650372628779008\">Greg Titus<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/gregtitus\/status\/1135650372628779008\"><p>&ldquo;Detach. Move. Attach.&rdquo;<\/p><p>Wait. So the display MAGNETS to the stand? People are going to get two $1000 stands and carry their 32\" display in between them?!?!<\/p><p>There is going to be that one guy who gets their local coffee shop to install a stand for them at a table, isn&rsquo;t there?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/morid1n\/status\/1135662644596228098\">Wojtek Pietrusiewicz<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/morid1n\/status\/1135662644596228098\">\n<p>Dear @Apple @pschiller @tim_cook &mdash; this but with a Core i9, industry standard M.2 NVMe SSDs, and support for &ldquo;regular&rdquo; GPUs. And a normal price tag.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/rjonesy\/status\/1135669892005355520\">Ryan Jones<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/rjonesy\/status\/1135669892005355520\">\n<p>Apple 100% DID abandon Pros!<\/p>\n<p>&ldquo;Everyone&rdquo; was right.<\/p>\n<p>And &ldquo;everyone&rdquo; saying it is 100% the main reason for today.<\/p>\n<p>The community voicing and explaining concern saved Pro. 100%<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/colincornaby\/status\/1135760904337780737\">Colin Cornaby<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/colincornaby\/status\/1135760904337780737\">\n<p>The first third party MPX module was already quietly announced by Apple<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/felix_schwarz\/status\/1135872567531716608\">Felix Schwarz<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/felix_schwarz\/status\/1135872567531716608\">\n<p>Internal #MacPro SATA port mystery solved! Promise will make an enclosure that attaches to them: the Pegasus J2i with two 3.5\" SATA drives. Promise will also make an MPX module, the Pegasus R4i with four 3.5\" SATA drives. In total, that'd enable up to 10 internal HDDs.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/marcoarment\/status\/1135785493272993792\">Marco Arment<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/marcoarment\/status\/1135785493272993792\">\n<p>Here (at 6:53) you can just barely hear what Jony was explaining to Tim about the new Mac Pro as I awkwardly stood behind them<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Cruftbox\/status\/1135645748945534976\">Michael Pusateri<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Cruftbox\/status\/1135645748945534976\">\n<p>Finally, I can tweet knowledgeably on a topic, the new Mac Pro &amp; display. I help oversee 175+ Macs used for professional video editing, audio mixing, and graphics creation. Here&rsquo;s a &lsquo;hot take&rsquo; on the new Mac Pros.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/eric_young_1\/status\/1135800622865764352\">Eric Young<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/eric_young_1\/status\/1135800622865764352\">\n<p>The new Mac Pro is the exotic flagship model. It&rsquo;s the best computer money can buy. It&rsquo;s the super car of computers<\/p>\n<p>It&rsquo;s not about need. It&rsquo;s about want<\/p>\n<p>I don&rsquo;t need a McLaren or a Ferrari. I want a McLaren or a Ferrari!<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/felix_schwarz\/status\/1135805778756034561\">Felix Schwarz<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/felix_schwarz\/status\/1135805778756034561\">\n<p>According to specs, the new #MacPro ships with PCIe 3.0. Meanwhile, AMD ships Ryzen CPUs with PCIe 4.0 this year, doubling transfer speeds. Intel is rumored to start adopting PCIe 4.0 in late 2020. At these prices&#8230; may be worth waiting for it.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/olebegemann\/status\/1135813677792280577\">Ole Begemann<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/olebegemann\/status\/1135813677792280577\">\n<p>The new Apple monitor doesn&rsquo;t seem to have speakers or a camera built in.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/stroughtonsmith\/status\/1135873066553135105\">Steve Troughton-Smith<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/stroughtonsmith\/status\/1135873066553135105\">\n<p>We entered WWDC without Apple offering a modular desktop that meets our needs, and we&rsquo;re leaving WWDC without Apple offering a modular desktop that meets our needs. They clearly don&rsquo;t have enough developers in their focus group, so the Mac Pro is a major failure in that respect.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p>See also: <a href=\"https:\/\/atp.fm\/episodes\/329\">Accidental Tech Podcast<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/rgigger\/status\/1135660776474021889\">Rick Gigger<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/rgigger\/status\/1135660776474021889\">\n<p>I know I&rsquo;m not their target customer. I want to be. I want them to make a monitor they fits the needs of normal professionals, not just people doing high end video work.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p>See also: <a href=\"https:\/\/news.ycombinator.com\/item?id=20087315\">Hacker<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/news.ycombinator.com\/item?id=20086704\">News<\/a> (<a href=\"https:\/\/news.ycombinator.com\/item?id=20086676\">3<\/a>), <a href=\"https:\/\/www.imore.com\/mac-pro-2019-pro-display-xdr-first-look\">Rene Ritchie<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/sixcolors.com\/post\/2019\/06\/wwdc-2019-notes-sidecar-catalyst-mac-pro-and-pro-display-xdr\/\">Jason Snell<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2019\/06\/03\/apple-previews-all-new-mac-pro-with-up-to-28-core-processor\/\">Joe Rossignol<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2019\/06\/03\/apple-unveils-32-inch-6k-pro-display-xdr\/\">Tim Hardwick<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n<p id=\"mac-pro-2019-update-2019-06-06\">Update (2019-06-06): <a href=\"https:\/\/fstoppers.com\/originals\/why-apples-expensive-monitor-worth-it-378941\">Stephen Kampff<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/fstoppers.com\/originals\/why-apples-expensive-monitor-worth-it-378941\">\n<p>Unfortunately, reference monitors aren&rsquo;t all the same, and newer standards like HDR10 and Dolby Vision can only be achieved with a certain class of display. That wouldn&rsquo;t be a problem if these things were cheap, but an industry standard Flanders Scientific monitor will seriously set you back, and you'll want it to last years. A Flanders that&rsquo;s comparable to Apple&rsquo;s Pro Display XDR would cost $35,000 and would be 4K instead of 6K.<\/p>\n<p>A side note here that I prefer a true 16x9 4K reference monitor so there&rsquo;s no upscaling from a 4K signal. Still, 6K is impressive and will be amazing for photographers.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.relay.fm\/mpu\/485\">Mac Power Users<\/a> (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2019\/06\/05\/new-mac-pro-has-optional-wheels\/\">MacRumors<\/a>):<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/www.relay.fm\/mpu\/485\">\n<p>Stephen and David have boots on the ground in San Jose for WWDC 2019. In this episode, they interview Doug Brooks, the Apple Product Manager for the new Mac Pro.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/MKBHD\/status\/1136287803757801473\">Marques Brownlee<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/MKBHD\/status\/1136287803757801473\">\n<p>Pretty sure this whole &ldquo;Apple Pro stand costs $1000&rdquo; rampant headline would&rsquo;ve been avoided if on stage they just said<\/p>\n<p>&ldquo;Apple Pro display XDR costs $5999&rdquo;<\/p>\n<p>And then when the config site goes live in fall they have an option that says &ldquo;ship without stand&rdquo; and it drops to $4999<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/colincornaby\/status\/1136010794242416640\">Colin Cornaby<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/colincornaby\/status\/1136010794242416640\">\n<p>It's a Xeon workstation. What did you think it would cost? Apple was absolutely right that its price competitive. Things have changed since 2012.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/samdeane\/status\/1136011049298251777\">Sam Deane<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/samdeane\/status\/1136011049298251777\">\n<p>The confusion comes from different definitions of &ldquo;pro&rdquo;.<\/p>\n<p>For me it means a machine designed for people who want to replace components. Something I can put a new graphics card into and upgrade the memory and drives later.<\/p>\n<p>Powerful, but not ridiculously so. Just flexible.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/pxlnv.com\/linklog\/mac-pro-display-xdr\/\">Nick Heer<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/pxlnv.com\/linklog\/mac-pro-display-xdr\/\">\n<p>These prices and the ridiculous capabilities of these products are exclusive in the truest definition of that word. They exclude huge numbers of customers who either cannot afford to spend over $12,000 on a new computer and display, or do not need such high-end capabilities. I think that&rsquo;s okay. The iMac Pro remains a very capable machine for all but the most demanding users.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote><p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/gak_pdx\/status\/1136085969440952320\">Greg Koenig<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/gak_pdx\/status\/1136085969440952320\">\n<p>That&rsquo;s the thing- the intro price is eye watering for a poor spec machine. I&rsquo;ll bet not a single demo Apple touted can be done on a Mac Pro costing less than $12k (sans crazy display).<\/p>\n<p>This is a great machine- but the low end needs $1500 off, and a 30\" 5k display option.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/agilethumbs\/status\/1136480382772076545\">scott<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/agilethumbs\/status\/1136480382772076545\">\n<p>Apple held an unprecedented roundtable with podcasters and bloggers to tell them how much they care about developers. [&#8230;] Announcing that product at WWDC was a monumental insult to every single Apple developer.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/ScooterComputer\/status\/1136647780062113792\">Scott<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/ScooterComputer\/status\/1136647780062113792\">\n<p>What does this have to do with the new Mac Pro? It shows me Apple isn&rsquo;t thinking on all cylinders. The Mac community has been asking for a IIci since before the 2013 Mac Pro &ldquo;Trashcan&rdquo;. The new mini just doesn&rsquo;t cut it. And the new Mac Pro doesn&rsquo;t either.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/mikezornek.com\/posts\/2019\/6\/macpro-reactions\/\">Mike Zornek<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"http:\/\/mikezornek.com\/posts\/2019\/6\/macpro-reactions\/\">\n<p>I truly believe they should have revealed this MacPro and monitor at a proper video \/ media conference. Revealing it in front of developers who can&rsquo;t afford it nor whom the product is marketed at just feel very out of context. We were begging them to built <em>us<\/em> a tower and display, but they built them for someone else, and it&rsquo;s kind of depressing.<\/p>\n<p>[&#8230;]<\/p>\n<p>I wanted a $5000 tower where I could update the graphics cards a few years in. I don&rsquo;t need 8 PCI slots, maybe 4 or 2 would work. I wanted to have easy access to RAM to add more in the future (I don&rsquo;t need 12 slots I&rsquo;m sure 4-6 would be fine). I want multiple SSD slots on the board (2 is fine). I want to be able to open it up and clean out the dust every few months (this is why an iMac will never work for me).<\/p>\n<p>I wanted a $1000 self-contained version of the 5K iMac display. Maybe an ultrawide version? I like Apple monitors historically. They work great out of the box and have great color. Surely there is room in the market for a sub-$6000 Apple monitor for the &ldquo;rest of us&rdquo;?<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Jon_Alper\/status\/1136628420052496384\">Jon Alper<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Jon_Alper\/status\/1136628420052496384\">\n<p>The power of the Mac Pro 2019 summarized perfectly:<\/p>\n<p>&ldquo;With the head of software engineering right here at our disposal for an hour, I can&rsquo;t think of anything better to talk about than&#8230;hardware&rdquo; - @gruber<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p>See also: <a href=\"https:\/\/news.ycombinator.com\/item?id=20113474\">Hacker News<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n<p id=\"mac-pro-2019-update-2019-06-17\">Update (2019-06-17): <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/tapbot_paul\/status\/1137027316989779968\">Paul Haddad<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/tapbot_paul\/status\/1137027316989779968\">\n<p>We are now living in the time of the &lt; $100 1TB high performance SSD!<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>If you don&rsquo;t buy from Apple.<\/p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/lapcatsoftware\/status\/1137337647817515009\">Jeff Johnson<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/lapcatsoftware\/status\/1137337647817515009\">\n<p>Interesting theory from @tytus_s is that the new Mac Pro was <em>never<\/em> for developers at all, and Apple only started to work on it when they started to get into the movie and TV making business and got pushback about it from showbiz people.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p>This makes sense, although it raises the question of why Apple specifically made the point at the 2017 media event that developers were their <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/lapcatsoftware\/status\/1137925014223802368\">largest pro audience<\/a>. That&mdash;and the history of sub-$2,000 Mac towers&mdash;is why developers expected the new Mac Pro to be &ldquo;for them.&rdquo; Apple even continued this in the 2019 Mac Pro&rsquo;s announcement (to a room full of developers), presenting the Pro Display XDR as great for writing code.<\/p>\n<p>The display is actually the main problem for developers. The Mac Pro costs a little more than people expected&mdash;given the iMac Pro. But the display does a lot more and costs a lot more than the type of display developers need. And, with LG exiting the market, there isn&rsquo;t really a suitable non-Apple display available that&rsquo;s 5K and the right Retina resolution for iOS\/Mac development.<\/p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/colincornaby\/status\/1137711446345768960\">Colin Cornaby<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/colincornaby\/status\/1137711446345768960\">\n<p>Just for fun I spec&rsquo;d out a Dell workstation comparatively to a base 2019 Mac Pro. The Dell still has slower storage and less PCIe slots.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/roryprior\/status\/1137745745526906886\">Rory Prior<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/roryprior\/status\/1137745745526906886\">\n<p>It&rsquo;s just a shame they don&rsquo;t make a box with an i9, at least 1x 16x PCIe for a GPU of your choice, upgradable RAM and storage. That would be the perfect system for 99% of pro users, power users and developers who don&rsquo;t need workstation level components.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/BryanPietrzak\/status\/1137787514004131842\">Bryan Pietrzak<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/BryanPietrzak\/status\/1137787514004131842\">\n<p>Apple has iPad mini, iPad, iPad Pro.  MacBook Mini (Air), MacBook, MacBook Pro, iMac and iMac Pro, and Mac mini and Mac Pro.  Seems like a mid range \"Mac\" computer in the same case, but i9 cpus, ddr ram, fewer PCIe slots, smaller power supply price point around $3-$4K could work<\/p>\n<p>And they have Pro Display XDR, let's see an Apple Display 5K that takes the 5K iMac panel, 27\" (or maybe 32\"?) with stand and typical ports (including power delivery) for $1599 would selll very well<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/helje5\/status\/1137654074118156288\">Helge He&szlig;<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/helje5\/status\/1137654074118156288\">\n<p>People who say that the new MacPro is not for developers are ObjC dinosaurs and never worked on a large Swift project (or a C++ one, like CLang).<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/bob_burrough\/status\/1137933546239086592\">Bob Burrough<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/bob_burrough\/status\/1137933546239086592\">\n<p>If a solution is inaccessible to you, it doesn't matter whether the reason is technical (e.g. poor thermal management) or financial (e.g. exorbitantly overpriced). Your problems remain unsolved.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/mondaynote.com\/mac-pro-fooled-you-90d560fcca99\">Jean-Louis Gass&eacute;e<\/a> (<a href=\"https:\/\/news.ycombinator.com\/item?id=20158039\">Hacker News<\/a>):<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/mondaynote.com\/mac-pro-fooled-you-90d560fcca99\">\n<p>The gods who render mad those they want to destroy have struck again. They&rsquo;ve caused a marketing exec&#x200A;&mdash;&#x200A;we hope not the same one who bragged about innovation in 2013&#x200A;&mdash;&#x200A;to price the new XDR monitor stand at a baffling $999. Listen to the guffaws in the audience at 1hr 40 mins into the keynote video. Why not $399 instead and increase the MacPro base price by a barely visible $600?<\/p>\n<p>A friend points out two factors. One, Mac Pro configurations will probably be used with multiple XDR monitors mounted in a bay arrangement using relatively inexpensive ($199) VESA mounts. Two, businesses and production companies are less price sensitive than the developers in the WWDC audience.<\/p>\n<p>These are reasonable points, but good marketing deals with emotions and impressions, not mere reason. The $999 stand was widely mocked in the media, Apple was labeled as greedy and tone-deaf&#x200A;&mdash;&#x200A;the latter definitely deserved.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/kingtbird\/status\/1138253046767529984\">kingtbird<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/kingtbird\/status\/1138253046767529984\">\n<p>Heya @atpfm @marcoarment @siracusa @gruber maybe  your ear w\/ Apple can find out why the $6K Mac Pro has slower read SSDs than 2017 iMac Pro &amp; 2019 MacBook Pro:<\/p>\n<p>3.3w\/2.8r iMac Pro<br \/>\n2.2w\/3.2r MacBook Pro<br \/>\n2.7w\/2.6r Mac Pro<\/p>\n<p>AFAIK slightly faster than 2017 &amp; 2019 iMac 5K 2.5r\/2w<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/marcoarment\/status\/1138270183313805318\">Marco Arment<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/marcoarment\/status\/1138270183313805318\">\n<p>iMac Pro uses two SSD modules in parallel for all sizes. Mac Pro uses just one in the 256GB config, two in the higher ones.<\/p>\n<p>Also maybe relevant: I don&rsquo;t think iMac Pro uses a PCIe switch to offer more total lanes than its CPU, but Mac Pro does. Maybe SSD bandwidth is reduced.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/512pixels.net\/2019\/06\/mac-pro-pricing-context\/\">Ed Cormany<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/512pixels.net\/2019\/06\/mac-pro-pricing-context\/\">\n<p>When Apple announced the new Mac Pro last week, one of the things that got the most attention was its price tag: the base configuration will cost $5,999. The question is whether it&rsquo;s an outlandish price for what is far and away the most powerful Mac ever sold. The fact is that Apple has definitely charged that much in the past for its hardware.<\/p>\n<p>The graph above shows the base prices for 60 different Apple hardware lines, and how those values compare over time accounting for inflation.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/blog.macsales.com\/49410-the-return-of-the-expandable-mac-pro\/\">Tom Nelson<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/blog.macsales.com\/49410-the-return-of-the-expandable-mac-pro\/\">\n<p>Will additional MPX modules be available in the near future? And will they only be available from Apple, or will other peripheral manufacturers be able to make use of the MPX system?<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/MacRumors\/status\/1138832019851493376\">MacRumors<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/MacRumors\/status\/1138832019851493376\">\n<p>IKEA has joined in poking fun at the new Mac Pro&#8230; &#x1F9C0;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.macobserver.com\/columns-opinions\/devils-advocate\/mac-pro-all-apologies-signed-apple-pundits\/\">John Kheit<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/www.macobserver.com\/columns-opinions\/devils-advocate\/mac-pro-all-apologies-signed-apple-pundits\/\">\n<p>The entirety of the Mac press&rsquo; post-WWDC rationalization distortion field is: &ldquo;the computer for the rest of us&rdquo;, &ldquo;it&rsquo;s not for you.&rdquo; After receiving Apple&rsquo;s PR fluffjob, these pundits make straw-man arguments that people think the Mac Pro is bad because it&rsquo;s too pro, too powerful, or not cheap enough. They ignore what enthusiasts <em>are<\/em> saying: &ldquo;Apple please add a lower entry level slot upgradable model that enthusiasts can also afford.&rdquo;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/atp.fm\/episodes\/330\">Accidental Tech Podcast<\/a> discusses how the Mac Pro effectively does have internal drive bays.<\/p>\n\n<p id=\"mac-pro-2019-update-2019-06-25\">Update (2019-06-25): <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/marcoarment\/status\/1142231343021088768\">Marco Arment<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/marcoarment\/status\/1142231343021088768\"><p>These are the CPUs used by the Mac Pro. Note Intel&rsquo;s pricing.<\/p><p>The &ldquo;M&rdquo; variants (which cost twice as much) are needed to support &gt;1 TB RAM configs.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/boletrone\/status\/1143213515299311621\">Bole<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/boletrone\/status\/1143213515299311621\">\n<p>There is zero chance that the Afterburner card is &ldquo;$1K &#8230;$1.5K&rdquo;, as Marco guessed.<\/p>\n<p>To give you context, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.red.com\/red-rocket-x\">similar accelerator card<\/a> produced by Red is almost $7K&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>And programmable ASIC that are comparable are in the $9K-15K range.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p id=\"mac-pro-2019-update-2019-07-05\">Update (2019-07-05): <a href=\"https:\/\/macperformanceguide.com\/blog\/2019\/20190627_0846-Apple-2019MacPro.html\">Lloyd Chambers<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/macperformanceguide.com\/blog\/2019\/20190627_0846-Apple-2019MacPro.html\">\n<p>Kudos to Apple for what looks to be an extraordinarily robust and quiet ultra-high end pro-grade workstation.<\/p><p>[&#8230;]<\/p>\n<p>Looking at the specifications, it&rsquo;s not clear that the 2019 Mac Pro will be faster [for photographers] than 2019 iMac 5K&mdash;the Mac Pro might be <em>slower<\/em>, particularly with the entry-level 8-core CPU. That&rsquo;s because for most tasks in Photoshop and Lightroom, only a few CPU cores are used and so what matters is clock speed for the cores actually used&mdash;and the Xeon processors run about a gigahertz slower.<\/p>\n<p>My prediction is that it will be a mixed bag with the 2019 Mac Pro much faster for a few tasks (and only if configured-up on CPU\/GPU), and slightly slower for many tasks.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p id=\"mac-pro-2019-update-2019-07-19\">Update (2019-07-19): <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/st8rmi\/status\/1148862742545219584\">Andreas Storm<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/st8rmi\/status\/1148862742545219584\">\n<p>Apple updated the Mac Pro icon.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p id=\"mac-pro-2019-update-2019-09-27\">Update (2019-09-27): See also: <a href=\"https:\/\/news.ycombinator.com\/item?id=21086345\">Hacker News<\/a>.<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Apple: Power to change everything. 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