Comments on: Computer Science’s Image Problem http://mjtsai.com/blog/2007/04/17/computer-sciences-image-problem/ Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:01:44 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Jens Alfke http://mjtsai.com/blog/2007/04/17/computer-sciences-image-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-68020 Jens Alfke Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:10:05 +0000 http://mjtsai.com/blog/2007/04/17/computer-sciences-image-problem/#comment-68020 I think the "most people wouldn't be happy doing it" argument is valid for most careers, actually :) I know that I'd be miserable (and miserably bad) as a chef or auto worker or actor or doctor (and from my college career I know that I wouldn't like being a Real Scientist either. I like to build stuff, not figure it out.) For the most part, people in CS seem to get hooked on it -- they're the ones who are obsessive enough to learn programming (mostly) on their own and attack projects long enough to learn the skills. That would explain the limited numbers, and also I think the gender imbalance, since that type of obsessive drive skews male. But it's also bad for the field, since people that obsessive are often narrow-minded as well, have trouble empathizing with people who aren't that way (which is terrible for UI design), and have limited interpersonal skills. So yeah, teaching programming to everyone wouldn't be a bad idea; I agree it's as relevant as chemistry or trig. Of course, that's the kind of thing the people in that NYT article were complaining about! I think the "most people wouldn't be happy doing it" argument is valid for most careers, actually :) I know that I'd be miserable (and miserably bad) as a chef or auto worker or actor or doctor (and from my college career I know that I wouldn't like being a Real Scientist either. I like to build stuff, not figure it out.)

For the most part, people in CS seem to get hooked on it -- they're the ones who are obsessive enough to learn programming (mostly) on their own and attack projects long enough to learn the skills. That would explain the limited numbers, and also I think the gender imbalance, since that type of obsessive drive skews male. But it's also bad for the field, since people that obsessive are often narrow-minded as well, have trouble empathizing with people who aren't that way (which is terrible for UI design), and have limited interpersonal skills.

So yeah, teaching programming to everyone wouldn't be a bad idea; I agree it's as relevant as chemistry or trig. Of course, that's the kind of thing the people in that NYT article were complaining about!

]]> By: Christopher Humphries http://mjtsai.com/blog/2007/04/17/computer-sciences-image-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-68018 Christopher Humphries Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:03:06 +0000 http://mjtsai.com/blog/2007/04/17/computer-sciences-image-problem/#comment-68018 I agree with this greatly. It definitely takes a certain mindset. Yet, I have the personal opinion that the best programmers are those that just code for fun anyways. I don't believe good programmers can be manufactured via a school program. If there isn't a passion, there isn't much point. Coding that way can only go for so long till you go crazy. Not sure how to effectively approach the problem of making sure students really know what they are in for with CS degrees, yet letting them know as much as possible right off the bat is probably for the greater good. With so much gruff in the media about lowered CS students, hopefully schools aren't lowering the bar for their programs to just have increased numbers... or numbers just on par with expectations. I agree with this greatly. It definitely takes a certain mindset. Yet, I have the personal opinion that the best programmers are those that just code for fun anyways. I don't believe good programmers can be manufactured via a school program.

If there isn't a passion, there isn't much point. Coding that way can only go for so long till you go crazy.

Not sure how to effectively approach the problem of making sure students really know what they are in for with CS degrees, yet letting them know as much as possible right off the bat is probably for the greater good.

With so much gruff in the media about lowered CS students, hopefully schools aren't lowering the bar for their programs to just have increased numbers... or numbers just on par with expectations.

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